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Re: Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI

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Honest question, are people against AI, or against AI being solely in the hands of a few massive companies, thus concentrating wealth even more? Are people against local models as well? What if they could run Claude at home (maybe with the same power requirements as now, but maybe with much less upfront cost).

It’s not a simple A or B. There are plenty of reasons to be against AI, and they can depend on where you live or how you are affected by it. The citizens who just got told they’ll be left without electricity because it’ll be rerouted to a nearby data centre have good reason to be against it. As do the people affected by their noise. People concerned with the environmental impact, the rising prices of consumer hardware, the consolidation of power, their use for surveillance, propaganda, killing, discrimination, the proliferation of AI psychosis, carelessness and loss of skills, loss of jobs without a safety net, erosion of online discourse, increased distrust of scientific papers… The list goes on and on.

Re: Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI

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Ex-CEO of Google telling a crowd of young graduates entering society, "You will work for AI." Then trying to counter the boos with remarks like: "If you get offered a chance to ride on the rocket ship, you don't ask questions you just get on." This is not only about AI the technology, it's the deserved anger against the privileged and powerful for their utter mismanagement of society. The youth sees through the bulls…

Get to ride on one? Inside or outside? I see that as saddling oneself on the way to fast and inevitable doom...

Re: Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI

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As someone who's in his late 20s and didn't (consciously) witness the dotcom crisis I want to ask the older people here: was this also part of the dotcom bubble era? Were people working in bookstores angry at Amazon, people working in retail fashion angry at fashion ecommerce stores, etc?

Free Prime shipping which started in 2005 was the real killer. Before that it was more about the large variety that was simply not available in bookstores etc. so people were willing to pay extra for shipping.

What's amazing to me is that even with prime free shipping in the US. NOTHING has ever beaten USPS for small shipping.

And the conservatives are always going off about it not being profitable for the USPS... but like... that subsidized shipping service is like nitrous for the US economy. We made a fortune off that. And achieved huge sweeping strategic objectives.

Example.

The ENTIRE US commercial airline industry was originally subsidized by Air Mail. We built planes and radar systems using USPS subsidies. We quite literally had Pan Am build midway island years before ww2 kicked off to prepare for that war... using Air Mail subsidies.

Logistics is not for the naive or the feint of heart.

Re: Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of AI were you expecting that wouldn't be "a chatbot"?

For one thing, I would've expected it to actually have intelligence. All we currently have is a stochastic parrot without any intelligence or ability to reason.

Any? How do you want to define intelligence and ability to reason? Yes, LLMs predict the next word, but somewhere during tokenization and training and the billions of parameters, it might be a Chinese room, but there's something resembling a non-zero amount of intelligence. How intelligent do you think crows or pigs are?

Re: Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI

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post #8

Ex-CEO of Google telling a crowd of young graduates entering society, "You will work for AI." Then trying to counter the boos with remarks like: "If you get offered a chance to ride on the rocket ship, you don't ask questions you just get on." This is not only about AI the technology, it's the deserved anger against the privileged and powerful for their utter mismanagement of society. The youth sees through the bulls…

> Then trying to counter the boos with remarks like: "If you get offered a chance to ride on the rocket ship, you don't ask questions you just get on." Perhaps Schmidt should Google “Space Shuttle Challenger” before making that analogy.

What question should S. Christa McAuliffe have asked?

Re: Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free Prime shipping which started in 2005 was the real killer. Before that it was more about the large variety that was simply not available in bookstores etc. so people were willing to pay extra for shipping.

What's amazing to me is that even with prime free shipping in the US. NOTHING has ever beaten USPS for small shipping. And the conservatives are always going off about it not being profitable for the USPS... but like... that subsidized shipping service is like nitrous for the US economy. We made a fortune off that. And achieved huge sweeping strategic objectives. Example. The ENTIRE US commercial airline industry was…

Department of Defense should have been renamed Department of Logistics.

Re: Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then trying to counter the boos with remarks like: "If you get offered a chance to ride on the rocket ship, you don't ask questions you just get on." Perhaps Schmidt should Google “Space Shuttle Challenger” before making that analogy.

What question should S. Christa McAuliffe have asked?

I’m not going to play the game of speaking for a victim of a disaster. The fact that a civilian was on board Challenger is secondary. The point is that Schmidt has hindsight, as do we all. Challenger wasn’t the only disaster, we know these things can happen even when precautions are taken. When they aren’t, the risk is amplified.

If BP had just built a rocket ship without testing, would you jump in it without asking questions? What about Phillip Morris? Some rando on the street? Because those are the equivalents of the people building these AI systems today. No care for safety or doing what’s right, only profit. Killing you and harming everyone around you is only as bad as the loss of revenue it may cause.

Re: Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI

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Honest question, are people against AI, or against AI being solely in the hands of a few massive companies, thus concentrating wealth even more? Are people against local models as well? What if they could run Claude at home (maybe with the same power requirements as now, but maybe with much less upfront cost).

Obviously, young people coming up into a world full of guys like him telling them that AI is going to eat their jobs and refusing to hire them for reasonable wages are not really in favor of specifically that in particular.

Re: Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI

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post #4

Honest question, are people against AI, or against AI being solely in the hands of a few massive companies, thus concentrating wealth even more? Are people against local models as well? What if they could run Claude at home (maybe with the same power requirements as now, but maybe with much less upfront cost).

Obviously, young people coming up into a world full of guys like him telling them that AI is going to eat their jobs and refusing to hire them for reasonable wages are not really in favor of specifically that in particular.

Yeah but as far as potential goes, "AI will take your job" isn't that much worse than "you'll be working 12 hours in an Amazon warehouse with a 2 minute pee break for minimum wage".

I feel like American society is particularly vulnerable to this, where nobody opposes anything that doesn't affect them personally, which means that resistance to any gradual erosion of liberties is always tiny. You can pass anything you want as long as you do it slowly, because resistance will always be limited to a small segment of the population at a time.

It's very "first they came for the communists".

Re: Eric Schmidt booed at University of Arizona after praising AI

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They have the full speech here https://youtu.be/b1eM3jv0vWY?t=7968 There's quite a lot less booing vs cheering compared with the linked recording which I guess was done on a phone near some people who didn't like it.

I’m not sure if you were expecting the boo’s to totally drown out the speaker. The audio system for orators in those types of venues are made to focus on the orators voice, not that of the audience. The fact that they were audible at all (they WERE) is to say they were substantial. The fact Schmidt recognized hearing them and from time to time had to pause to make a point means he was speaking through the crowds discontent.

It was a good watch - I appreciated hearing the audible boos. I’m not the only one in the room who is concerned about the adoption of AI being overly cavalier without clear evidence it’s even worth it / or that you go to school and are told great now you MUST learn this, your degree choice (your dream) is moot - the message has been “deal with it”. That’s not to say there isn’t already plenty evidence online that supports the thought, but hearing it from a college campus audience makes me think about what my son is going into right now, that my concern is real.

I’m torn really because I am already benefitting from the tools provided. I can see their utility. And, though, I actually agree with Schmidt’s overall message - it was truthful and felt genuine, it’s an unfortunate reality. Who’s going to cheer that? So good on him for being naive to that fact or willing to endure an obvious boo fest.

AI’s fun but life is more fun. Speed is fun, but so is sitting down for a sec to chat with friends. Maybe the backlash against AI is because we’re still grappling with the onslaught of the internet and smart phones. The unintended negative effects we have yet to solve today (Schmidt even starts his speech referring to them before he brings up AI almost as if to say, “look how well these blunders went, now hold my beer”). Youth and people in general feel robbed, they have become a cog in someone else’s machine and AI doesn’t free you from it - it’s not like businesses are saying “oh excellent! we can get the work done faster, let’s decrease the amount of hours we make people work to get their wage. Let’s let them benefit from this boon of productivity.” No! The opposite, “We will kick you and if you want to stay, be happy you’re here and willing to run in this fever pitch rat race that has just introduced a rapidly increasing devourer that runs behind you.” … “Want weekends!? AI doesn’t, hmm is that the way you ‘demonstrate what it means to be human’?”

My mind keeps on thinking that what I am really being told is it’s time to start my own business because I will only ever be the person to give me a weekend off.

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