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At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by new_account_100 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #43
Quarrelsome wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"It's a choice to feel like a slave/victim/etc" is a phrase born from legitimate psychological advice, but now is used 90% of the time as a "devil's platitude" (sounds like, "Just give up. It's inevitable, and you'll be happier.")

I think it's a fair comment in this case, given that the discussion is essentially about civil disobedience.

In other words, I think it's worth mentioning that the (former) slaves who took the underground railroad were breaking the law by doing so.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by GaryBluto »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #36
amazingamazing wrote: post #28

Eventually toll cameras and a consortium of private businesses will have this tech and then game over. Better to use this energy and legislate the behavior you want. Never let the enemy decide the terms.

There seems to be enough energy for both?

Illegally breaking Flock cameras makes you look like a conspiracy nut or radical to the average Joe and make them sceptical of any privacy movements by association.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by Barbing »

amazingamazing wrote: post #40
JKCalhoun wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be enough energy for both?

The irony is destruction of private property will only justify the very surveillance one is trying to avoid. Would you agree ring cameras should be destroyed too? The police can use their footage. In practice they are similar to flock.

Exactly, let your local politicians know the only way they can get your vote is by rejecting Flock.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by zug_zug »

amazingamazing wrote: post #40
JKCalhoun wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be enough energy for both?

The irony is destruction of private property will only justify the very surveillance one is trying to avoid. Would you agree ring cameras should be destroyed too? The police can use their footage. In practice they are similar to flock.

Kinda like saying "Throwing the British's tea into Boston harbor will only make us subject to harsher terms."

The reality is the vast majority of social progress in the last millenium was achieved with force and threat of force. I find this weird revisionist "violence is never the answer" trope recited as a fact that needs no justification to be incredibly weird and unreliable.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by monocasa »

deejaaymac wrote: post #33
turlockmike wrote: post #25

This website and article promote the destruction of property. If you disagree with something, you can engage civily, encourage people to vote with you, run for elections. Violence is not the answer.

Hi. The mayor of Denver pushed through flock cameras despite them being unpopular and not even getting enough votes to buy them. He got them to change the price enough that he didn't need the votes to get them installed. How do you have a civil society when the people in power cheat?

The flock contract was cancelled. It was then replaced with an axon contract that probably isn't much better.

https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/denver-city-council-...

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by 0n0n0m0uz »

amazingamazing wrote: post #40
JKCalhoun wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be enough energy for both?

The irony is destruction of private property will only justify the very surveillance one is trying to avoid. Would you agree ring cameras should be destroyed too? The police can use their footage. In practice they are similar to flock.

Similar but nowhere close to a substitute
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