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Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

the problem is not the model, but the infrastructure needed to run the model. so yeah, gpus, cpus, network, etc etc

Power is 2-3x as expensive in Europe than American. They're toast.

it's actually about the same in most countries, solar and wind is coming down in price every single day. germany is an outlier at this point.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does UK and Switzerland have that even remotely compares to what China has in terms of AI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_DeepMind

Thats American

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

#53

This is mostly a performance by the Mistral CEO. He is trying to justify the continued existence of the AI bubble in his country, claiming that, somehow, us Americans have figured it out and made LLMs work. We haven't, nobody has. LLMs don't work. They cannot think. They do not understand what you are asking them to do. They statistically reproduce text written by other people, and they cannot do so well. They are no…

You just need to work on your agent design and prompting skills, modern LLMs are crazy good at all the things you listed with the right context and tools.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

#54

Europe is never going to have sovereignty in a lot of areas. A vassal of the US or a vassal of China. Pick your poison.

right it totally makes sense because it's the third biggest economy in the world, it has to be a vassal of number one or number two, because there has been a situation where number three in anything tries to move up, if you're third in line you must submit.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

#55

i always forget EU exists when it comes to tech they’re so hostile to it (lawfare) and have seemingly little innovation comparatively why is that?

Every time you have to dismiss a cookie banner, thank a European.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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post #27

The only thing that can “save Europe” is US embargo, otherwise doesn’t make sense to do replication of the US effort whatsoever. In US the AI is a private effort, in Europe there are no businesses that are interested in investing such large amounts of money when they can benefit from US made AI. In China they don’t have this option to use the US offerings so they must invest, be it the government or the business that…

The China example was such a massive blunder (from the perspective of US soft power). Like you say, it created a captive market for Chinese chips where Chinese companies might've otherwise bought foreign chips. That's inbuilt demand. But China also has something Europe doesn't and that's central planning. China has realized that chipmaking and AI are issues of national security. Europe just doesn't have that level of governance and forethought. Within 5 years China will be producing their own EUV chips despite the ASML export ban.

And you know who realizes all this? The Nvidia CEO [1][2].

There is now a 70 year history of Europe being designed as and becoming comfortable with being a US vassal state, from the end of WW2 to Bretton-Woods, the Marshall Plan and NATO.

I don't see fascist takeovers in the UK, France or Germany as changing any of this. If anything, it'll just fracture any semblance of European unity. It'll be the enemy within as those forces will be most aligned with the US.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJmHfmrRMUE

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrbq66XqtCo

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

#57
post #37

As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.

I wonder why googles biggest European office is in the low tax high salary country of Switzerland

Zurich is third behind Dublin (definitely for tax reasons) and London.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

#58
post #3

America innovates, China replicates, Europe regulates.

If anything the main simplification here is that China is doing a significant amount of innovation too. Otherwise yeah. Europe's main purpose is to serve as a continent-wide historical Disneyland for rich American and Chinese tourists. And maybe we'd be better off admitting that rather than trying to pretend to have any kind of industrial or startup ecosystem.

Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'

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post #37

As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.

I wonder why googles biggest European office is in the low tax high salary country of Switzerland

That's the biggest engineering office, but not the biggest overall European Google office, right? That would be in low tax low salary Ireland.
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