Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because ECT is whitewashed shock therapy, which in turn- is a whitewashed lobotomy.
What about transcranial magnetic stimulation?
I suggest you read some publications on the topic, and not internet forum conspiracies.
Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD
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Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Game theory and history say otherwise. If you want to be a fool, have at it. Just don't expect the rest of us to go along or respect you because of it.
Just because it used to happen doesn't mean it should continue. It will be death of all of us collectively.
But didn’t you know: game theory!!!!
Nash equilibrium is the religion for millennials who didn’t get sucked into the boomer/gen-x Ayn Rand bullshit
Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD
#53I always wonder why ECT doesn't get more press. It very very often works on depression (and bipolar disorder, catatonia; anything affective-related really), although the effects may wane over time when the treatment is discontinued. Memory loss is one of the side effects, and it could actually be beneficial here.
This is nuts. Bringing ECT into the discussion of a novel psychedelic medicine.
Totally different ballparks. Well-established results vs. very little formal research.
Have you had ECT, or do you know anyone who has? It's a last resort for horrible depression and not much else. It has huge risks, and while it does often make these people's lives manageable, it shouldn't be in the same discussion as a medication that's been out of discussion for political reasons.
shivers at the thought of ECT
Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
PTSD doesn't have anything to do with brain damage. PTSD is a trauma response. Are you thinking of TBI? TBI is a cumulative impact of small and large head trauma.
Nope - I mean PTSD. there is a growing body of evidence that PTSD may be caused (In many of most or the diagnosed cases) by concussions causing brain damage. This manifests from either enemy munitions, or the shock wave from your own artillery, explosives, or large-caliber weapons. The WWI name of "shell shock" describing the same phenomenon was probably more accurate than "PTSD".
What in the world are you talking about?
There are 0 requirements for head trauma with PTSD, it's a stress response.
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is the top tier, evidence based treatment for PTSD. 60-80% can actually lose their PTSD diagnosis through CBT in some studies.
I'm not saying CBT is the magic cure, but it's very helpful for retraining the body's fight or flight response.
For TBI, there is not really any amount of CBT that can impact it due to the physical changes in the brain. This is why things like ibogaine and psilocybin are encouraging, because they seem to be causing neurogenesis.
I'm somebody that has spent my life dealing with both of these issues through combat sports and military combat. It's something I stay on top of.
Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about transcranial magnetic stimulation?
I suggest you read some publications on the topic, and not internet forum conspiracies.
Sorry if I find that things like https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39804212/ existing in checks 2025 repulsive. Especially when those are the same arguments put forward for lobotomies. If somebody is capable of _ELECTING_ ECT, fine. But don't pretend that dosing somebody unconcious with benzos so they Can't seize, and reducing shock duration and intensity so theres no skin burning makes intentionaly brain damaging somebody to fit in with society any less horifying. If you don't like that example- theres plenty more for things like dementia among the elderly. Especially if they're in a retirement facility.
As for TCMS? It works- if you can find a place that's not a farm.
Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD
#56This is, I am assuming from the context, not opporating under the assumption PTSD often is rooted in brain damage from exposure to shockwaves.
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Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
PTSD doesn't have anything to do with brain damage. PTSD is a trauma response. Are you thinking of TBI? TBI is a cumulative impact of small and large head trauma.
Nope - I mean PTSD. there is a growing body of evidence that PTSD may be caused (In many of most or the diagnosed cases) by concussions causing brain damage. This manifests from either enemy munitions, or the shock wave from your own artillery, explosives, or large-caliber weapons. The WWI name of "shell shock" describing the same phenomenon was probably more accurate than "PTSD".
You are completely wrong. Its kinda scary how confident you are in your misunderstanding.
Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD
#58Only veterans? I wonder about the editorial choice to use veterans rather than, say, women who have PTSD from assaults, which is a much larger group of people. (Approximately 4% of US men and 8% of US women experience PTSD every year across all reasons like accidents, sexual assaults, combat, etc.) Presumably this treatment would help everyone? Or is it somehow supporting only vets?
> Presumably...
Presumably isn't how science is done. They did an experiment with veterans who had ptsd and ibogaine so the results are relevant to veterans with ptsd using ibogaine.
One could, presumably, extrapolate that result to an even wider audience and say "hallucinogens could help people who experience trauma" but that'd be unscientific and irresponsible to imply this study showed that.
Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD
#59An important warning: Ibogaine has been associated with a considerable number of deaths. Some of the deaths even occurred within the context of clinical trials, under medical supervision. Ibogaine has some chemical properties that are highly undesirable for medication because it directly interacts with the cardiac system as a side effect.
It is actually an old drug with a long history of being tried for different conditions and was once even marketed commercially in some countries. It goes through cycles where news stories are written about how it might be a treatment for problems which inspires some people to seek it out, but I strongly caution people not to do this. If you try one of the ibogaine clinics you may not even been given real ibogaine, and if you do you’re playing a dangerous game.
Anecdotally: I’ve known a couple acquaintances and their friends who tried ibogaine for different reasons. Among them, there was a 100% rate of feeling convinced it solved their problems in the weeks following their experience. There was a 0% rate of actual improvement in the problems after weeks to months. I think it’s good that this is being researched, but the claimed curative powers of the drug have also become enhanced through the mythology and mystery around it.
Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope - I mean PTSD. there is a growing body of evidence that PTSD may be caused (In many of most or the diagnosed cases) by concussions causing brain damage. This manifests from either enemy munitions, or the shock wave from your own artillery, explosives, or large-caliber weapons. The WWI name of "shell shock" describing the same phenomenon was probably more accurate than "PTSD".
You are completely wrong. Its kinda scary how confident you are in your misunderstanding.
Is this pair of sentences indented to be satirical?