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Kioxia and Dell cram 10 PB into slim 2RU server

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Re: Kioxia and Dell cram 10 PB into slim 2RU server

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Post by geerlingguy »

tesdinger wrote: post #47

All the increases in density are impressive, but they come with the downside of repairability and recycling difficulties. I hope we can still repair this when parts of it break or at least recycle it properly. No matter how high tech it is, eventually this will break.

These drives all use standard enterprise storage interconnects, and the server chassis is like other Dell server chassis. Not using ATX or EATX, but it's status quo for Dell, and many old Dell servers wind down their old age in homelabs.

Hopefully one of these 10 PB monsters will be under $2,000 someday, at which point I will pop it in my homelab :)

Re: Kioxia and Dell cram 10 PB into slim 2RU server

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Post by 9dev »

tesdinger wrote: post #49
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #12

There's been a lot of talk about orbital DCs lately, but with these levels of density, orbital CDNs might be a more obvious usecase. It would be interesting to see if something like Starlink can use something like this to cache media content and reduce their overall data moving through the constellation. It could even be worth it to have some satellites in higher orbits (even GEO if the ground hw can reach it) dedica…

For the sake of the generations that come after us, we really should not dump valuable material into space. I somehow doubt the electronics in space would be recovered and recycled properly.

Nothing is recycled properly. Recycling was a story told to ease consumers minds so they keep on consuming. The stuff you throw away ends up on a landfill, in the sea, or on a ship to someplace else where it gets burned and then buried. Sending it to space makes absolutely no difference.

Re: Kioxia and Dell cram 10 PB into slim 2RU server

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Post by hilariously »

fgfarben wrote: post #38
evil-olive wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, absolutely not. orbital datacenters are never going to happen, it doesn't matter whether you try to frame them as compute or storage or whatever else. the extreme density of these SSDs is actually an anti-feature in the context of spacecraft hardware. the RAD750 CPU [0] for example uses a 150nm process node. its successor the RAD5500 [1] is down to 45nm. that's an order of magnitude larger than chips currently ma…

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It certainly looks more correct than a response like this, normally you'd expect a counter point instead of just doing whatever it is you are doing.

Re: Kioxia and Dell cram 10 PB into slim 2RU server

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Post by TiredOfLife »

trvz wrote: post #20
retired wrote: post #16

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Not quite yet. The interesting thing here is ~256TB in a single drive, but it's in E3.L form factor. I have about 160TB on hard drives that I'm waiting to offload onto a single SSD. But that needs to come with a connector that has adapters to USB-C, so I can attach it to my Macbook Neo. Hopefully they get it a bit more dense soon and into the 2.5" NVMe form.

Attaching a $40k drive to a $600 Macbook

Re: Kioxia and Dell cram 10 PB into slim 2RU server

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Post by killerstorm »

evil-olive wrote: post #30
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #12

There's been a lot of talk about orbital DCs lately, but with these levels of density, orbital CDNs might be a more obvious usecase. It would be interesting to see if something like Starlink can use something like this to cache media content and reduce their overall data moving through the constellation. It could even be worth it to have some satellites in higher orbits (even GEO if the ground hw can reach it) dedica…

no, absolutely not. orbital datacenters are never going to happen, it doesn't matter whether you try to frame them as compute or storage or whatever else. the extreme density of these SSDs is actually an anti-feature in the context of spacecraft hardware. the RAD750 CPU [0] for example uses a 150nm process node. its successor the RAD5500 [1] is down to 45nm. that's an order of magnitude larger than chips currently ma…

It's possible to run modern GPU on a sattellite: https://www.starcloud.com/starcloud-1

Some error rate is acceptable for uses which aren't "mission-critical".

Re: Kioxia and Dell cram 10 PB into slim 2RU server

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Post by loeg »

ksec wrote: post #25

This is one of the case limited by PCIe speed, sharing it with SSD so Network could only do 5x400Gbps Network. This is on PCIe 5.0, luckily we have 7.0 spec ready and 8.0 is even in 0.5 draft status. If we could somehow increase the density further by 5x, we would be able to store 1EB in a single rack. The most interesting part to me is the last sentence. >Scality tells us it’s working on supporting a future nearline…

QLC already beats out HDD in power constrained hyperscalar environments. Capex is not the only factor.

Re: Kioxia and Dell cram 10 PB into slim 2RU server

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Post by tempest_ »

buzer wrote: post #42
Pallav123 wrote: post #24

At current enterprise NVMe prices, the drives alone for this must easily push past the $500k to $1M mark. It's fascinating to see this level of density, but it’s strictly going to be hyperscaler or high-end defense/research budget territory for a long time.

The list price seems to be ~40M. https://www.dell.com/en-hk/shop/servers-storage-and-networki... Select the 40 slot chassis and put 40 of those 245TB disks in. Comes out at ~HK$317M. Of course HK prices might also be higher than what Dell USA offers. Now how heavy the discounts you can get I don't know.

My understanding is no one actually pays Dell sticker price. They list that price on the website but if you talk to whatever they are calling their sales reps you get the real price.
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