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London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by nomel »

croisillon wrote: post #19
krona wrote: post #15

Perhaps it will be the first protest where FR is used, but the first pilot (which ended in March) just put 2 FR cameras on a street in Croydon and they arrested "170 wanted criminals" in 6 months. https://news.met.police.uk/news/met-makes-one-arrest-every-3...

wondering about that line: A 36-year-old woman who had been unlawfully at large for more than 20 years and was wanted for failing to appeal at court for an assault in 2004. so she was 16 when she "disappeared" (how, where, sleeping in the streets?) and the camera can link a 16 y.o. face to a 36 y.o. one after probably rough years?

What's the argument here? Thats crimes should be forgiven after 16 years, or that facial recognition is demonstrably robust?

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by sverhagen »

nomel wrote: post #51
croisillon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wondering about that line: A 36-year-old woman who had been unlawfully at large for more than 20 years and was wanted for failing to appeal at court for an assault in 2004. so she was 16 when she "disappeared" (how, where, sleeping in the streets?) and the camera can link a 16 y.o. face to a 36 y.o. one after probably rough years?

What's the argument here? Thats crimes should be forgiven after 16 years, or that facial recognition is demonstrably robust?

That it's a fishy story?

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by basisword »

suburban_strike wrote: post #25
krona wrote: post #15

Perhaps it will be the first protest where FR is used, but the first pilot (which ended in March) just put 2 FR cameras on a street in Croydon and they arrested "170 wanted criminals" in 6 months. https://news.met.police.uk/news/met-makes-one-arrest-every-3...

This is a bit of an oversell on their part. The offenses include: > A 36-year-old woman who had been unlawfully at large for more than 20 years and was wanted for failing to appeal at court for an assault in 2004. > A 31-year-old man who was wanted for voyeurism for more than six months. > A 41-year-old man who was wanted for rape in relation to an incident which took place in November in Croydon. > 37 arrests for br…

> A 31-year-old man who was wanted for voyeurism for more than six months.

> A 41-year-old man who was wanted for rape in relation to an incident which took place in November in Croydon.

>> These are all pretty low-hanging fruit.

>> This is literally the "overpolicing" of petty crime critical race theory bemoans.

You listed voyeurism and RAPE. I'll take one less rapist on the streets thank you very much.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by novok »

nomel wrote: post #51
croisillon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wondering about that line: A 36-year-old woman who had been unlawfully at large for more than 20 years and was wanted for failing to appeal at court for an assault in 2004. so she was 16 when she "disappeared" (how, where, sleeping in the streets?) and the camera can link a 16 y.o. face to a 36 y.o. one after probably rough years?

What's the argument here? Thats crimes should be forgiven after 16 years, or that facial recognition is demonstrably robust?

He is implying he doubts the accuracy of that 'match'.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by mrighele »

Vaslo wrote: post #34
cjs_ac wrote: post #27

> Live facial recognition will scan the faces of those heading to the “Unite the Kingdom, Unite the West” rally in the borough of Camden, marking the first time the technology has been authorized for use at a protest in the UK. The rally was organized by activist Tommy Robinson who says the rally is for “national unity, free speech and Christian values.” Let's have a look at Tommy Robinson's Wikipedia article*: > Rob…

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From the article:

> a pro-Palestinian march marking “Nakba Day,” happening in London on the same day with an estimated 30,000 attendees, will not face the same biometric surveillance.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by Caracas288 »

Regarding the broader picture, it’s interesting that despite the ineffectiveness of even major protests over the past decades—Iraq being the prime example—governments are introducing more obstacles to disincentivise them. From the perspective of government, why not simply ignore such events, use existing (extensive) laws which cover them? It’s like states are unconsciously preparing for the large-scale disruption which may yet come to pass.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by monksy »

fidotron wrote: post #14

I'm old enough to remember when my colleagues were vigourously expressing concern about the potential for Oyster cards to be used to track who was protesting where. What remains astounding about the UK is how few people benefit from this enormous scale privacy invasion. David Cameron, while leader of the opposition, managed to get his bike stolen twice, and neither time did CCTV being literally everywhere help to fin…

> David Cameron, while leader of the opposition, managed to get his bike stolen twice, and neither time did CCTV being literally everywhere help to find who did it.

Are we talking about flock cameras and the disapparence of Nancy Guthrie?

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by andrepd »

Gigachad wrote: post #40
fidotron wrote: post #14

I'm old enough to remember when my colleagues were vigourously expressing concern about the potential for Oyster cards to be used to track who was protesting where. What remains astounding about the UK is how few people benefit from this enormous scale privacy invasion. David Cameron, while leader of the opposition, managed to get his bike stolen twice, and neither time did CCTV being literally everywhere help to fin…

There isn’t the resources to watch all of this cctv. Sure someone could spend weeks watching all the feeds in the city to track the thief down. But the cost quickly exceeds the value of the bike. Something that’s changing with computer video and AI powered video search tools. I’m very in two minds about it. Being able to solve bike thefts would be great, but a lot of evil could come from a system that actually can mo…

What do you mean? Pulling a few camera feeds to track down or identify a theft occurring at a known location at a roughly known time is a few minute's work. It's worth the value of the bike let alone the value of prosecuting a criminal.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by spwa4 »

4ndrewl wrote: post #37
hactually wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Must be some heinous crimes to enable dragnet surveillance. That or the rotten state of Britain really is trying anything from splitting at the seams. Must be the heinous crime thing tho.

Or maybe it's just that whenever Tommy ten names has one of his rallies it ends in violence?

Ever walked through the streets of London after essentially any rally? They all end in violence.

Re: London Police Deploy Facial Recognition at Protest for First Time

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Post by CTDOCodebases »

fidotron wrote: post #14

I'm old enough to remember when my colleagues were vigourously expressing concern about the potential for Oyster cards to be used to track who was protesting where. What remains astounding about the UK is how few people benefit from this enormous scale privacy invasion. David Cameron, while leader of the opposition, managed to get his bike stolen twice, and neither time did CCTV being literally everywhere help to fin…

This news from the UK is concerning and the UK is slowly turning into a dystopia but still your reasoning is flawed.

The cameras are there to discourage crime and for use in court as evidence. Solving a crime still requires time and energy. Policing is a resources game.

So of course petty crimes are still going to be committed because it’s resource intensive to have someone monitor all the cameras. That is until it isn’t and you have a backlog of video footage of crimes and AI powerful enough to detect crimes being committed in real time. Even then though police work is still required if AI isn't using face or gait detection and/or these systems aren’t hooked up to a database that has linked identifiers to real people. But even those can be defeated with a bally and a limp.

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