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What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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and yet somehow that world seemed more healthy than today's

What seems to me is the ads seem less staged and processed than current ones. They're wilder and not as softened as every media are now.

As for people pointing at lifespans for the healthy part, how much of the change is systemic use of anticoagulants? And of course less tobacco, but I wouldn't rush to say people are in much better shape now.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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It's so strange sometimes watching tv shows and movies from the 90's where you see characters smoking indoors in public places. Like in Seinfeld you will have episodes where Kramer is smoking in offices....and even in the doctor's clinic! There was an episode where Kramer took out a cigar and smoked in a doctor's waiting room. I thought he would immediately get in trouble but none of the other characters cared. And t…

I was recently watching some TV show and there was this one scene in maternity hospital. The doctor(!) was smoking while talking to the main character. Insane for today's standards.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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They didn't have a scientific proof that smoking was bad for you. Just like we don't have the proof that social media is awful for you and that Trump is a cult.

Cigarettes were recognised as the cause of lung cancer in the 1940s and 1950s, with the confluence of studies from epidemiology, animal experiments, cellular pathology and chemical analytics

https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/21/2/87

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

#55
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what will our grand kids be shocked to read about us and our acceptable 'cigarettes'? plastic everywhere social media as news teflon fossil fuel cars sugar/ultra-processed food

Meat not as a treat, but as a staple

Huh? As has been the case since our species evolved into homosapiens?

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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It's so strange sometimes watching tv shows and movies from the 90's where you see characters smoking indoors in public places. Like in Seinfeld you will have episodes where Kramer is smoking in offices....and even in the doctor's clinic! There was an episode where Kramer took out a cigar and smoked in a doctor's waiting room. I thought he would immediately get in trouble but none of the other characters cared. And t…

You can still smoke indoors in public places in many places in the world

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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post #10

what will our grand kids be shocked to read about us and our acceptable 'cigarettes'? plastic everywhere social media as news teflon fossil fuel cars sugar/ultra-processed food

> fossil fuel cars

All or almost all of fire is my guess. My guess is that celebratory fire is last to go, bonfires, fireworks, in 2070 probably roasting marshmallows is at the edge of reasonable behaviour, but the idea that we deliberately burned things as part of normal life will seem very odd.

In 1870 fire is the usual (and incredibly wasteful) way humans make light and heat everywhere. In 1970 there's more abstraction, the light is electrical but from thermal generation, so there is still fire but it's somewhere else, and your heat is more likely from fire inside a metal box in a distant room, a gas, oil or in some cases coal boiler to heat air or water.

My guess is that even in pessimistic models in 2070 that's all electrical and the electricity is generated from sources which do not involve fire. PV, wind, hydro, even the geothermal and nuclear plants don't actually make fire to heat steam, they're just hot.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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It's so strange sometimes watching tv shows and movies from the 90's where you see characters smoking indoors in public places. Like in Seinfeld you will have episodes where Kramer is smoking in offices....and even in the doctor's clinic! There was an episode where Kramer took out a cigar and smoked in a doctor's waiting room. I thought he would immediately get in trouble but none of the other characters cared. And t…

It is hard to overstate how common that was in the nineties, at least here in Spain.

Clouds would come out of family bars and diners when you opened the door. Movie theaters and art galleries would have people smoking inside as it was part of their intellectual aesthetic. During weddings giving out Cuban style cigars as a present was assumed. Schools would not allow it officially, but every bathroom and teacher lounge would clearly smell from the people hiding for a smoke. Same for hospital waiting areas and bathrooms. Trains had smoking and non smoking wagons, which people complained about, feeling smokers were being ostracized. Beaches were full of cigarette buts to the point that accidentally stepping on a not yet cold one was a common concern. Not "going for a smoke" at work was considered socially isolating, and particularly for men saying you don't smoke would lead to others questioning your heterosexuality in a non PC manner. Teenagers would start smoking around the family as a "proof of adulthood" as soon as they had their first part time job to pay for it.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

#59
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meat not as a treat, but as a staple

Huh? As has been the case since our species evolved into homosapiens?

yes, And smoking has been around for 1000s of years and only recently it became common to ban it in shared spaces

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

#60
post #10

what will our grand kids be shocked to read about us and our acceptable 'cigarettes'? plastic everywhere social media as news teflon fossil fuel cars sugar/ultra-processed food

> plastic everywhere. plastic will still be everywhere. The major catastrophe that could happen is for evolution of plastic eating bacteria like the creation of (dead) wood eating bacteria. Look at all the plastic containers etc you have in your kitchen and imagine it's just gone. > social media as news Mainstream news isn't going to get any better. > teflon teflon has gotten a lot better since it was introduced. It…

>Look at all the plastic containers etc you have in your kitchen and imagine it's just gone.

This is not a catastrophe by any stretch of the imagination.

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