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Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by SilverElfin »

jjcm wrote: post #8

A lot of these things are made fast and loose, and unfortunately this is the reality of using the bleeding edge. Even Figma went through this kind of thing very early on. To add something else to the discussion however, I'd encourage people to skip out on Claude Design for other reasons, and that is the inherent restrictions of LLMs for visual design. LLMs are blind, and spatial relativity is tremendously hard across…

> A lot of these things are made fast and loose, and unfortunately this is the reality of using the bleeding edge.

Anthropic lazily calls everything a preview and then pushes it hard on everyone. That feels dishonest

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by Leonard_of_Q »

Did you get a warning about your data being /dev/nulled with an admonition to download whatever you wanted to keep before unsubscribing? If you did, well... should'a heeded that warning to make backups, shouldn't you? If you did not get a warning I'd add that it would have been more customer-friendly for Anthropic to warn you about your data disappearing after unsubscription but I still think that you should have made sure you downloaded whatever data you wanted to keep around before `throwing the key in the mailbox'. Don't ever trust third parties to care for your data like you care for it, make sure to keep it somewhere you are sure you can get at no matter what.

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by bombcar »

semiquaver wrote: post #13
jjcm wrote: post #8

A lot of these things are made fast and loose, and unfortunately this is the reality of using the bleeding edge. Even Figma went through this kind of thing very early on. To add something else to the discussion however, I'd encourage people to skip out on Claude Design for other reasons, and that is the inherent restrictions of LLMs for visual design. LLMs are blind, and spatial relativity is tremendously hard across…

What do you mean LLMs are blind? All frontier models are multimodal, which means they literally consume images as tokens. They can “see” exactly as well as they can “read”. Also, GPT-Image-2 is not a diffusion model, it is based on Transformers, like other LLMs are.

Claude has been kicking ass at code, but I asked it to “sketch” a second floor with a stairway and bedrooms with large closets and it made … something that resembles something akin to not at all what I asked.

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by huflungdung »

Leonard_of_Q wrote: post #52

Did you get a warning about your data being /dev/nulled with an admonition to download whatever you wanted to keep before unsubscribing? If you did, well... should'a heeded that warning to make backups, shouldn't you? If you did not get a warning I'd add that it would have been more customer-friendly for Anthropic to warn you about your data disappearing after unsubscription but I still think that you should have mad…

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Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by jrumbut »

I've lost access to plenty of Claude stuff without canceling anything. I am careful not to leave anything important in there and back up regularly.

It's funny because sometimes it will remember stuff that is lost and not be able to reference stuff that is clearly visible.

One area where I find ChatGPT superior (and this is just my own experience) is not losing things and also respecting project boundaries. Claude projects just seem to be a way to lose things faster, the model seems to be entirely unaware of projects as a concept.

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by jrumbut »

jadar wrote: post #22
jjcm wrote: post #8

A lot of these things are made fast and loose, and unfortunately this is the reality of using the bleeding edge. Even Figma went through this kind of thing very early on. To add something else to the discussion however, I'd encourage people to skip out on Claude Design for other reasons, and that is the inherent restrictions of LLMs for visual design. LLMs are blind, and spatial relativity is tremendously hard across…

This has not been my experience. Claude artifacts at first, then Claude Design after it was released, are excellent at design! The way I can steer the model updating the design with different ideas and visions, even adopting different design systems like Material 3 or Apple’s HIG it has been phenomenal.

It's also by far the best in my experience at a request like "it's 3:55 and I need a few slides on the topic of the Gettysburg Address for a 4PM meeting."

I wish it was more integrated into PowerPoint but it's still the best slide generator I've used.

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by marcus_holmes »

embedding-shape wrote: post #48
semiquaver wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean LLMs are blind? All frontier models are multimodal, which means they literally consume images as tokens. They can “see” exactly as well as they can “read”. Also, GPT-Image-2 is not a diffusion model, it is based on Transformers, like other LLMs are.

I guess they do "see" but more like "see an explanation of the image", not "see" as in experience visually. They're really bad at details and perfection when it comes to images, and doesn't understand things like visual hierarchy, affordances and other fundamental design concepts. Most of them are able to describe those things with letters, but doesn't seem to actually fundamentally grasp it when asking it to do UIs…

This is my experience too, but with all other aspects of the application. If you only loosely describe it, it comes out as a mess. You have to know what you're building to get the LLM to actually build something decent. I don't think this is purely a visual or design constraint.

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by embedding-shape »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #58
embedding-shape wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess they do "see" but more like "see an explanation of the image", not "see" as in experience visually. They're really bad at details and perfection when it comes to images, and doesn't understand things like visual hierarchy, affordances and other fundamental design concepts. Most of them are able to describe those things with letters, but doesn't seem to actually fundamentally grasp it when asking it to do UIs…

This is my experience too, but with all other aspects of the application. If you only loosely describe it, it comes out as a mess. You have to know what you're building to get the LLM to actually build something decent. I don't think this is purely a visual or design constraint.

When I'm using agents for programming, I can have a AGENTS.md outlining exactly what requirements, guidelines and constraints all the code need to follow, and the agent (codex in my case) will pretty much nail that.

I've tried doing the same for design work, just really outlining exactly how the UI and UX needs to look and work, but for some reason it struggles a whole bunch with it, regardless of how clear I am. Maybe it's I'm just worse at explaining and describing what UI and UX I'm actually after though, I suppose.

Re: Tell HN: Dont use Claude Design, lost access to my projects after unsubscribing

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

jjcm wrote: post #8

A lot of these things are made fast and loose, and unfortunately this is the reality of using the bleeding edge. Even Figma went through this kind of thing very early on. To add something else to the discussion however, I'd encourage people to skip out on Claude Design for other reasons, and that is the inherent restrictions of LLMs for visual design. LLMs are blind, and spatial relativity is tremendously hard across…

Huh, I never thought of asking an image model to prototype a UI. It's a good idea though, I will try it next time.
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