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Re: Haiku

#51

Post by nubinetwork »

tombert wrote: post #44
SyneRyder wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What would you hope to obtain that you cannot just by using, say, a customized Linux Mint? When things are coded right, Haiku / BeOS is blazing fast (every single thing runs in a separate thread), and resource usage is tiny. I think the OS only uses about half a gig of RAM? When the apps are coded right, there's a feeling that this is how our modern computers could have been, free from bloated software and using th…

I like how Action Retro has pointed out that installing a fresh Haiku system is often faster than booting a Windows or macOS system. As I said in another comment, I've only played with Haiku in a VM for not very much time, but I am a huge supporter of operating systems that are willing to break out of the codified mediocrity we've labeled "POSIX"; I suspect that we might be leaving a lot of performance on the table b…

> a fresh Haiku system is often faster than booting a Windows or macOS system.

Faster than booting w2k in a vm, on a modern cpu, at least in my tests.

Re: Haiku

#52

Post by dleslie »

drob518 wrote: post #49
ttul wrote: post #10

It's a shame that Be failed. I think they were a victim of Microsoft's aggressive anti-competitive activities in the late-1990s, combined with Apple deciding to bring back Steve Jobs via the acquisition of NeXT (making Apple a serious competitor in the same segment that Be was targeting -- multimedia and realtime applications). Ultimately, they prevailed in winning about $24M from Microsoft, but that was after the co…

They were never going to compete with Microsoft even if MS hadn’t screwed them (which MS definitely did). At the time, MS was invincible in the enterprise market. Be’s only path to success was with Apple. Jean-Louis Gassée was negotiating the buy-out with Apple but he wanted more than Apple was willing to pay and Jobs was the key acquihire at Next, before people started talking about “acquihire” as a concept. Unfortu…

Be made inroads in radio and sound production; though I don't think they knew it.[0]

There was a market starved for a stable, high quality and responsive operating system that would run on the x86 hardware that was abundant everywhere. Windows wasn't it, yet; recall this is years before XP, and Windows 98 was an unstable mess while NT was slow.

0: https://birdhouse.org/beos/byte/27-tune_tracker/

Re: Haiku

#53

Post by jbverschoor »

eloisant wrote: post #43
ttul wrote: post #10

It's a shame that Be failed. I think they were a victim of Microsoft's aggressive anti-competitive activities in the late-1990s, combined with Apple deciding to bring back Steve Jobs via the acquisition of NeXT (making Apple a serious competitor in the same segment that Be was targeting -- multimedia and realtime applications). Ultimately, they prevailed in winning about $24M from Microsoft, but that was after the co…

Be was pretty close from being acquired by Apple instead of NeXT. It was also founded by an ex-Apple employee (Jean-Louis Gassée). MacOSX would be really different today if it were based on BeOS instead of NeXT...

No beachballs

Re: Haiku

#54

Post by bacchusracine »

I tried for years to get this operating system to run on my hardware. Last year I succeeded.

Only...there was no software. The system ran beautifully. But I had no web browser that was supported. All the software seemed to be ports from Linux and didn't seem to take advantage of Haiku's advantages.

I had a good speedy operating system that booted almost immediately to the desktop. But nothing to do when I got there.

BeOS back when I tried it in the V5.0 days had software written for it. There weren't multiple options for everything but there was variety. There was usefulness in the radio broadcasting software, the video editors that worked even on my POS box back in 1998/99. When the PE was released I'd hoped that would result in even more software becoming available. But no, it was shut down not too long after that. (I'll skip the whole YellowTab fraud saga.)

The situation seems even worse these days. It's been almost thirty years. Time to let go.

Re: Haiku

#55

Post by ktm5j »

shevy-java wrote: post #16

The problem with Haiku is that it is unable to leave the perpetual beta situation. On Linux I can use perl, ruby, python, php, julia - you name it. Good luck thinking you can do this on Haiku, as-is. Edit: I should say that I like Haiku, but I used it many years ago, and the situation with regards to programming still has barely improved here for the most part. They are building literally a dream OS nobody will serio…

Okay, so it looks like python3 and perl are both available out of box (at least, I don't remember installing them in my VM but it's possible that I did).. ruby and php are available in HaikuDepot.. julia is the only one on your list that's not there

There's a ton of packages built already and more that you can build yourself (needing a bit of effort)

Re: Haiku

#56

Post by johng »

BeOS was the best looking OS I've ever seen, even to this day. I loved everything about the looks.

Re: Haiku

#57

Post by jlundberg »

Been following this for so many years. The previous project lead Michael Pripps (?) was really inspiring.

It is amazing the project keeps going.

Re: Haiku

#58

Post by MegaDeKay »

MBCook wrote: post #40
dleslie wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the simplest way. More interesting is the result for is_computer_on_fire() https://github.com/VitruvianOS/Vitruvian/blob/0e4c6e33ab235b...

Why does it return a double?

I was wondering about the significance of the returned value 0.63739. Best explanation I found was this HN post [0]: "Referencing a US telephone keypad, it spells NERDY"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29292424

Re: Haiku

#59

Post by rebolek »

bacchusracine wrote: post #54

I tried for years to get this operating system to run on my hardware. Last year I succeeded. Only...there was no software. The system ran beautifully. But I had no web browser that was supported. All the software seemed to be ports from Linux and didn't seem to take advantage of Haiku's advantages. I had a good speedy operating system that booted almost immediately to the desktop. But nothing to do when I got there.…

Not my experience. I tried to install on an old Asus Eee and everything worked on first try.

There's a web browser (Web Positive) that works good enough given the available resources on this machine.

The system itself runs very nicely on this hardware. I tried to install Linux there first but I wasn't able to find any 32 but distro with GUI that would fit on 4GB eMMC.

Now I have a neat small machine that supports what I need from it and I'm thinking of putting it on some more powerful HW.

Re: Haiku

#60

Post by microtonal »

drob518 wrote: post #49
ttul wrote: post #10

It's a shame that Be failed. I think they were a victim of Microsoft's aggressive anti-competitive activities in the late-1990s, combined with Apple deciding to bring back Steve Jobs via the acquisition of NeXT (making Apple a serious competitor in the same segment that Be was targeting -- multimedia and realtime applications). Ultimately, they prevailed in winning about $24M from Microsoft, but that was after the co…

They were never going to compete with Microsoft even if MS hadn’t screwed them (which MS definitely did). At the time, MS was invincible in the enterprise market. Be’s only path to success was with Apple. Jean-Louis Gassée was negotiating the buy-out with Apple but he wanted more than Apple was willing to pay and Jobs was the key acquihire at Next, before people started talking about “acquihire” as a concept. Unfortu…

I recall that they had one OEM who wanted to install BeOS as a preinstalled option Hitachi), but then Microsoft threatened to raise Windows license prices in retaliation.

A little search gives a reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20131109045719/http://www.intern...

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