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The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by ericmay »

mikece wrote: post #10

I feel like the title of this post should have "for now" appended.

Why though? That could be true of any economic condition. Imagine if any time there was a race or competition in which one group is winning you had to just say "for now".

Michael Phelps is winning the race! ... for now

China is winning the EV race ... for now

It doesn't seem to add value to me, aside from being an opportunity to, as is the time-honored tradition of the haters, to sow doubt and create negative energy to anything related to American success.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by SubiculumCode »

akrylov wrote: post #43
tsunamifury wrote: post #23

As an American, we may be winning this race but we are still struggling to define why this is the race to win. The cost of winning this race has been telling our citizen s we will replace them with robots and there is no hope for their children’s future employment. The cost has been destroying trust as we tell citizens water and power should go to server farms and not them. The cost has been naked power telling democ…

The goal is global domination as always, unfortunately. DARPA and the Pentagon helped create the Internet, and Silicon Valley later turned it into a major commercial success.

Likewise, the goal is to not get globally dominated by China. You cannot point to one without the other. It's not like the U.S. is the only country that values national security and geopolitical power.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by pj_mukh »

akrylov wrote: post #46
pj_mukh wrote: post #9

Yes, and it's doing so primarily because of immigrant nerds, H1B's and F1 bros who chose America and may not have this avenue in the future. Potentially, making this the last race USA wins.

It's a myth. IBM, Xerox, HP, DEC was innovating long before H1B's.

There is nothing in the H1B program that makes these immigrants different from the immigrants that ran IBM, Xerox and HP. Other than the country of origin of course.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #47
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude is already on Vertex - https://docs.cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/generative-ai/docs/p...

Is Vertex hosting it themselves on their own hardware? Because GCP, Azure and AWS all host it on their own hardware, but AWS lets you do everything that Claude lets you do if you use their APIs directly, and then some. This is what I want to see on Azure and GCP, and heck, maybe even DigitalOcean, if they ever stop expanding into so many spaces and focus on improving their current infrastructure, before I fully migra…

> Is Vertex hosting it themselves on their own hardware?

Yes, you can even choose regions, for EU they serve it from Belgium. With all the encrypted at rest stuff and other guarantees that vertex provides.

> Important: Accessing Claude models through Vertex AI meets the FedRAMP High requirements, and operates within the Google Cloud FedRAMP High authorization boundary.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

The US has destroyed the PC market perhaps irrevocably, and made getting small single-board-computers for new products extraordinarily difficult. It's enraged its own populus with skyrocketing energy prices causing wild consumer shock. It's waged a trade war over chips that has lead China to develop their own, which they have done astoundingly quickly with phenomenal success, far far faster than anyone could have guessed.

As with another recent example, sometimes in war there is no winning: just loss. This is obviously for us programmers an incredible and wild age, filled with nothing short of miracles. It's incredible. But the prices we are paying, the extreme tensions we are creating, the stress and strain of this all has been incredibly unpleasant, and very very very few people feel like they are seeing upsides to this worrisome menacing age, that promises very few people on the planet anything better coming, and which. Has already made life considerably worse, which no nation has yet directed towards helping its people.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by giancarlostoro »

akrylov wrote: post #24
thepasch wrote: post #7

Article title: “The US is winning the AI Race” Article content: “The US are capitalizing on AI the best” A lot of assumptions there that no one can actually verify as true right now. If commercialization into rent-seeking SaaS landscapes is the endgame, then yeah, the US is winning the AI race. If individualization, local LLMs, and consumer hardware are the endgame, China is winning the AI race. If it’s something ent…

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> US deep state

Strange reading that on HN and realizing I'm not on Facebook

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by aerodexis »

thepasch wrote: post #7

Article title: “The US is winning the AI Race” Article content: “The US are capitalizing on AI the best” A lot of assumptions there that no one can actually verify as true right now. If commercialization into rent-seeking SaaS landscapes is the endgame, then yeah, the US is winning the AI race. If individualization, local LLMs, and consumer hardware are the endgame, China is winning the AI race. If it’s something ent…

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Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by comrade1234 »

I've been using the deepseek api (not for coding though) and have been getting great results and it's so cheap it may as well be free. Another reason I'm using it is because I like the license and I also have some hope of running it in my own hardware in the future.

But the thing is... I could be using any of the llms for my use - I'm using a middleware that lets me change providers only with a configuration change.

So it's going to be tough for USA ai companies to charge 5x to 20x (depending on what you're doing).

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by akrylov »

pj_mukh wrote: post #53
akrylov wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a myth. IBM, Xerox, HP, DEC was innovating long before H1B's.

There is nothing in the H1B program that makes these immigrants different from the immigrants that ran IBM, Xerox and HP. Other than the country of origin of course.

Jobs, Wozniak, Gates - it's a myth that you need poor migrants pulling themselves by their bootstraps to innovate. Sometimes a nazi scientist like Wernher von Braun is what it takes.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by lorecore »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #49
lorecore wrote: post #17

It’s certainly too early to call (if you must view this as some sort of adversarial competition). The US is behind on local models, the future for anyone who cares about privacy. There may be step change innovation yet to come that completely shifts the landscape. There’s basically no switching costs to users to change models. They have no lock-in.

It is very much adversarial, and to view it anything but adversarial is to not see the geopolitical reality and the potential national security implications of AI for what they actually are. Moreover, to claim that China is in the lead with local models presupposes that openai and anthropic could not release local models that are better, which is a big assumption. They do not release such models because they have fro…

As someone who happens to have been born in the US and currently lives here, I welcome China winning. I trust them infinitely more than I trust my own government and industry.

OpenAI and Anthropic are beholden to the capitalist system they exist under and hence cannot compete on local models. Like you say, they must try to maximize shareholder value. China is unencumbered by that constraint.

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