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I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by rsynnott »

delichon wrote: post #37
Aurornis wrote: post #27

I read the article. It was about 1 person trying to do AI training data set annotation and review gigs. The only supporting evidence for the title’s claim about “everyone” is that they found the gig work from a comment on a Facebook group for writers who were looking for side gigs. Other than that, this is entirely 1 person’s experience. I also started to lose sympathy for the writer when they bounced between claimin…

> claiming they were broke and talking about about their $150 house cleaner I once spent an hour listening to a drunk woman telling me how broke she was. The gist was that she wanted to build a 50 horse stable but could only afford one big enough for a dozen horses. She owned about half of Anaheim. She told this to me as she sat across my desk at her condo, which was my post as a near minimum wage security guard. My…

Well, presumably you didn't have a debilitating horse addiction.

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by darkwater »

voidpointer wrote: post #11
herpdyderp wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, however, do look forward to a time when we can prompt our own TV shows. That second season that ruined your favorite show? Fix it. The second season that never happened? Create it. Of course AI needs to get better still for that to be bearable for many of us, but I'm still excited at the idea!

Isn't the scenario you are describing the ultimate collapse of art and culture as we know it? If everyone sits at home and creates the content that they want, what do we talk about? How do we engage in shared culture if there is nothing to experience together?

Well, that was a recent invention anyway - at least in Europe where I live. TVs did not really reach most of the households until late '70s and the shared pop culture based on movies (mostly from US), cartoons (mix from Japan and US), advertisements (usually national) was created quite fast.

It's not an immutable fact of the human society.

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by DonHopkins »

maplethorpe wrote: post #34
herpdyderp wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, however, do look forward to a time when we can prompt our own TV shows. That second season that ruined your favorite show? Fix it. The second season that never happened? Create it. Of course AI needs to get better still for that to be bearable for many of us, but I'm still excited at the idea!

This + NFT integration will be the real game changer. Like it's Breaking Bad, except Walter White is decked out like one of your Slonks. Or it's Indiana Jones stealing a Bored Ape instead of the idol. Possibilities are endless.

Did you miss the memo that NFTs are a scam for gullible suckers? And bored apes ... really? That actually appeals to you? Please be sarcastic!

Line Goes Up – The Problem With NFTs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by nradov »

ecshafer wrote: post #50
dist-epoch wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly how I feel when gamers complain that a GPU that used to cost $1000 now costs $2000.

Someone whose hobby is Gaming, saves up diligently to pay $1k for a GPU, now has the rug pulled from under them and its $2k. Amortizing a $1k GPU over 4 years isn't too bad, $250 a year, $20 and change a month vs $500 a year / $40 a month is pretty big.

NetHack 5.0.0 was just released and it runs pretty well even on older GPUs.

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by randycupertino »

delichon wrote: post #37
Aurornis wrote: post #27

I read the article. It was about 1 person trying to do AI training data set annotation and review gigs. The only supporting evidence for the title’s claim about “everyone” is that they found the gig work from a comment on a Facebook group for writers who were looking for side gigs. Other than that, this is entirely 1 person’s experience. I also started to lose sympathy for the writer when they bounced between claimin…

> claiming they were broke and talking about about their $150 house cleaner I once spent an hour listening to a drunk woman telling me how broke she was. The gist was that she wanted to build a 50 horse stable but could only afford one big enough for a dozen horses. She owned about half of Anaheim. She told this to me as she sat across my desk at her condo, which was my post as a near minimum wage security guard. My…

Horse expenses are bonkers. I wish all my enemies get into horse stuff as a hobby. I used to work for a boss who made $5 million a year and he would get into SCREAMING fights with his wife in the office over the phone about how they couldn't afford to fly the horses to Europe for her to compete in horse dressage competitions. I'd be working away three doors down and in the hallway he'd be hollering from his office, "LINDAAAA!!!!! WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!!!"

He was making $5 million a year and he was MISERABLE. Those stupid horse expenses completely drained his life and finances to the detriment of everything else, he was one of the most unhappy people I've ever encountered in life.

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by maxglute »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #46
maxglute wrote: post #41

IMO AI already doing better creative writing than most hollywood shows, I see myself enjoying premium mediocre slop.

IMO, AI is still not there, but getting better quickly, and I'm excited about how it is going to unlock so much creative talent held back by an expensive system that requires a lot of labor to create content. I know someone who has been trying to raise money for a while to create a movie he wrote a script for. He's registered it with SAG-AFTRA. He's put on dinners. He's worked tirelessly to pull it together. He is an…

It's not there for medium or long form content, but I'm enjoying the hell out of kungfu cats, north korean gta, swole harry potter slop. Maybe my attention span too cooked, but I would enjoy a future of one-shot passion projects from 1000s of amateur creators. I'd also rather deal with Asian microshows where you get 100x5m episodes dropped everyday. Frankly hollywood lost moving from 20 episode per year seasons to 8 episodes every other year. Life's too short for current model, for content creators and consumers.

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by stringfood »

Aurornis wrote: post #32
orsorna wrote: post #20

> I too needed cash to pay rent, to buy food, to pay Maggie—the human still charging me a flat rate of 150 bucks I really found it hard to sympathize with the author at this point. If you're in a crunch you don't need to pay a maid to clean.

That was my first clue that the author was squeezing this for a story. The snide joke about taking their kid on vacation so they could ignore each other felt really cold, too. The section where she tried to dunk on a coworker for trying to do the job well was also consistent with someone just squeezing this whole thing for a writing piece instead of trying to do the job. Nowhere in the article did she support the “ev…

The author also suffers from ethos fry, where his failed career as a writer and entry level job experience nullifies his ability to come to a useful conclusion on AI and current affairs. How can someone who has shown little ability to time or predict the future or control his destiny be trusted when it comes to analyzing the emergence of new technologies? But I think that logic might be an Ad Hominem attack

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by mathgeek »

randycupertino wrote: post #55
delichon wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> claiming they were broke and talking about about their $150 house cleaner I once spent an hour listening to a drunk woman telling me how broke she was. The gist was that she wanted to build a 50 horse stable but could only afford one big enough for a dozen horses. She owned about half of Anaheim. She told this to me as she sat across my desk at her condo, which was my post as a near minimum wage security guard. My…

Horse expenses are bonkers. I wish all my enemies get into horse stuff as a hobby. I used to work for a boss who made $5 million a year and he would get into SCREAMING fights with his wife in the office over the phone about how they couldn't afford to fly the horses to Europe for her to compete in horse dressage competitions. I'd be working away three doors down and in the hallway he'd be hollering from his office, "…

> I used to work for a boss who made $5 million a year and he would get into SCREAMING fights with his wife in the office over the phone about how they couldn't afford to fly the horses to Europe for her to compete in horse dressage competitions.

Something I hold as a truth in life is that the neither money nor what it's spent on is the issue when it comes to spouses screaming at each other about what they can afford.

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by senordevnyc »

pj_mukh wrote: post #43
Aurornis wrote: post #27

I read the article. It was about 1 person trying to do AI training data set annotation and review gigs. The only supporting evidence for the title’s claim about “everyone” is that they found the gig work from a comment on a Facebook group for writers who were looking for side gigs. Other than that, this is entirely 1 person’s experience. I also started to lose sympathy for the writer when they bounced between claimin…

I mean this is the K-shaped economy. A swath of workers + capital owners with infinite leverage, and another swath of workers still simply exchanging 1 hour of labor, for an hour of results with very little rent to be extracted. The lucky ones have union protection (with its own problems), but the rest are just this lady writ large.

Hasn’t it always been this way though? Hollywood has long been the canonical example of how a tiny fraction get rich and famous, and everyone else is waiting tables while they hope for the big break that never comes.

And further, isn’t the evidence that low income workers have seen their real wages rise over the last few years?

Re: I work in Hollywood. Everyone who used to make TV is now training AI

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Post by senordevnyc »

terseus wrote: post #44

I understand that it is not easy to relate to the author who pays (or was paying) $150 for a house cleaner, I understand that this is a 1-person history and may be highly biased, I understand the author is motivated to create a story from it. However, if you think that any of the conditions described in the article are acceptable or that this is a fair price to pay for having AI, I think you are a horrible human bein…

We’re horrible humans who should be expelled from society if we think it’s fine for people to get paid $52/hr for a boring remote job at a shitty bureaucratic company? Ok.
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