Child support is just the start. It won't be long before passports are revoked for a number of other reasons too.
US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support
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#52Owing child support is a negative on children and society in general, but I'm sure there are plenty who will argue in favor of it.
I never understood this line of logic:
- X doesn't pay child support because X lost their job.
- X gets their driver's license revoked because they missed child support payments.
So ... how are you supposed to find a new job with out a car in most U.S. communities? This doesn't improve the situation for anyone involved, but allows the state to make it much, much worse.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
In 1990 it was only 5% of Americans and now it's 50%. In the UK it's 85% but a better comparison is probably France who are in the Schengen Area so only 60% have a passport. If I lived in France I doubt I would travel outside of the Schengen Area.
About half of Americans traveling to/from Mexico by land at a small crossing i noticed didn't even have them (recently). Turns out Mexico doesn't legally require a passport for entry and the US has to take back citizens who appear without one. This won't do shit to stop escaping deadbeats, just another scheme to punish parents at a threshold so low it could be a single misreported tech worker payment while doing fuck…
> Turns out Mexico doesn't legally require a passport for entry
This isn't true. See e.g. https://consulmex.sre.gob.mx/washington/index.php/ligavisos/... :
> "All foreigners, regardless of their nationality, are required to present a valid and not expired passport or travel document when entering Mexico (traveling by air, land or sea)."
What you may have observed is Mexican border control at a small crossing may not enforce that requirement.
Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support
#54Owing child support is a negative on children and society in general, but I'm sure there are plenty who will argue in favor of it.
I never understood this line of logic: - X doesn't pay child support because X lost their job. - X gets their driver's license revoked because they missed child support payments. So ... how are you supposed to find a new job with out a car in most U.S. communities? This doesn't improve the situation for anyone involved, but allows the state to make it much, much worse.
Who said anything about revoking drivers licenses?
Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
About half of Americans traveling to/from Mexico by land at a small crossing i noticed didn't even have them (recently). Turns out Mexico doesn't legally require a passport for entry and the US has to take back citizens who appear without one. This won't do shit to stop escaping deadbeats, just another scheme to punish parents at a threshold so low it could be a single misreported tech worker payment while doing fuck…
> Turns out Mexico doesn't legally require a passport for entry This isn't true. See e.g. https://consulmex.sre.gob.mx/washington/index.php/ligavisos/... : > "All foreigners, regardless of their nationality, are required to present a valid and not expired passport or travel document when entering Mexico (traveling by air, land or sea)." What you may have observed is Mexican border control at a small crossing may not…
Article 11 [Mexican Constitution]
Every person has the right to enter and leave the country, to travel through its territory and to move house without the necessity of a letter of safe passage, passport, safe-conduct or any other similar requirement. In the event of criminal or civil liability, the exercise of this right shall be subject to the judicial authority. Relating to limitations imposed by the laws on immigration and public health, or in respect to undesirable aliens residing in the country, the exercise of this right shall be subject to the administrative authority.
https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Mexico_2015#s...
Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pew Research (2024) says: About six-in-ten voters with lower family incomes (58%) associate with the Democratic Party, compared with 36% who affiliate with the Republican Party.
You should check the exit polls from 2024 if you want to go back that far then. Republicans won the vote for the under $100k bracket.
Both can be true. Democrats tend to dominate the lowest income quintile, while Republicans tend to win the second and third quintiles. So if you're only looking at the bottom quintile, Democrats would win that cohort. If you combine the bottom three quintiles, Republicans would win it.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s about 180m us passports, so about half the country has one, about the same percentage as France.
How many of those are second passports for the benefit of people who wish to visit Israel without the added friction that Israeli stamps in their primary passport would bring? Also, EU citizens do not require a passport to travel within the EU; by law, their national ID card suffices, thus making passports unnecessary for much of their travel.
As a tourist, I’ve noticed the countries most obsessed with Israel usually aren’t winning any “pleasant place to visit” awards.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should check the exit polls from 2024 if you want to go back that far then. Republicans won the vote for the under $100k bracket.
Both can be true. Democrats tend to dominate the lowest income quintile, while Republicans tend to win the second and third quintiles. So if you're only looking at the bottom quintile, Democrats would win that cohort. If you combine the bottom three quintiles, Republicans would win it.
That doesn’t make sense either. Democrats won the popular vote of the $100k+ crowd in 2024.
And of course if can be both, I said this in a separate response that this isn’t a black and white conversation, which is why I responded to begin with to the responder.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I accidentally read the comments on the post and got as far as this one: “Honestly, since we're going towards socialism, we need to abolish child support. Women have the right to get an abortion because it is their body their choice. A man has to use his body …” That was enough for me.
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It's rather unfortunate that so many people are against genuine equality when it comes to reproductive rights.
While it makes perfect sense to me that a pregnant woman should have final (only?) say in whether or not she carries a child to term, it strikes me as rather off that:
* Outside of marriage, the biological father has no rights when it comes to participating in their child's life, whether we're talking custody or mere visitation.
* The father has no right to avoid child support despite having no say in either its birth or participation in their lives.
* Upon being targeted by the state for child support responsibilities, the court system virtually never allows cessation of payments upon a failed paternity test (i.e., paternity fraud). Note: roughly 30% of paternity tests that are performed reveal children are not biologically related to their presumed fathers.
* In about half the states, it's illegal to even perform a paternity test without consent of the mother.
I do find it fascinating that many people will use the very same blase "you should have thought of that before having sex" dismissals when bringing up any of the above issues as are used so often against women fighting for their right to abortion.
tl;dr: child support should be linked with visitation/custody rights. If a father abandons or is denied those rights, they should be absolved of child support, especially if it's proven they aren't actually the biological father.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s about 180m us passports, so about half the country has one, about the same percentage as France.
How many of those are second passports for the benefit of people who wish to visit Israel without the added friction that Israeli stamps in their primary passport would bring? Also, EU citizens do not require a passport to travel within the EU; by law, their national ID card suffices, thus making passports unnecessary for much of their travel.
Israel doesn't stamp your passport if you ask.