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OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by watwut »

ForHackernews wrote: post #11
THansenite wrote: post #4

I honestly don't know how I feel about this. I keep a journal where I can get thoughts out of my head so I can move on. Like the article, its nothing I'd really be ashamed of, but I see it as a kind of personal therapy where I can dump my thoughts. I write with the assumption they are my private thoughts and even I don't have any plans on going back and rereading. I know I'm not a CEO, but even I wouldn't want my pri…

You have options: - Don't write it down. - Delete it before you're subpoenaed. - Mail it to your attorney.

Mailing a thing to your attorney does not make it secret.

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by kotaKat »

THansenite wrote: post #4

I honestly don't know how I feel about this. I keep a journal where I can get thoughts out of my head so I can move on. Like the article, its nothing I'd really be ashamed of, but I see it as a kind of personal therapy where I can dump my thoughts. I write with the assumption they are my private thoughts and even I don't have any plans on going back and rereading. I know I'm not a CEO, but even I wouldn't want my pri…

The simple solution is to "not write your private thoughts on someone else's loaned paper".

Keep your personal life to personal paper and personal devices. Don't write your life out onto something subject to discovery by someone else's legal department.

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by chuckadams »

skrebbel wrote: post #28
arduanika wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> anymore? This is how discovery has always worked. > submitted Doesn't necessarily mean they volunteered it. Either submission or the unsealing could have been in response to a subpoena or court ruling. Maybe the solution is to write at the top of your journal that you are cc'ing your lawyer on it. (Not legal advice!)

> > anymore? > This is how discovery has always worked. So if I say a worry to my therapist, and years later I get sued in a civil lawsuit, my opponents can just ask the therapist for their meeting notes and those get submitted and then published on the internet? No, I assume? So then where's the line? I'm no lawyer (in fact I'm a total noob in this area) but seems very weird to me that private notes can just be subp…

Lawyers, priests, doctors, and clinical therapists are specifically protected to varying degrees under the law. As for your own private journals, that's up to the judge to decide whether it's relevant enough to be subpoenaed. Your journal recorded on company property when that company is in litigation probably doesn't stand much chance of protection.

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by globalnode »

didip wrote: post #35

I know a lot of people use private conversations with chatbot as a replacement to journaling which is a form of self therapy. So… those can be aired willy nilly too then. They are out on public clouds now.

have to use a local llm for that if thats how you wish to use them.

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by bombcar »

dgellow wrote: post #18

> OpenAI submitted the journals as evidence in October that was initially sealed and then unsealed in January. How does that work? How can a company submit a personal journal as evidence? That feels extremely intrusive

Discovery is terribly intrusive and invasive, more than you would ever think.

It's one of the huge reasons that lawsuits are often settled, because ain't nobody want all the dirty laundry aired.

Discovery asking for a peon's diary is likely to get squashed pretty easily, discovery asking for the president's personal diary is likely to be approved if there's an argument it applies (and likely you'll see what happened here, it's provided sealed, and if both sides agree it's applicable, it's unsealed).

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by bombcar »

cogman10 wrote: post #31
jeffwask wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He kept them on his work laptop, and they were swept up in discovery. Don't ignore your security team when they talk about data protection and not doing personal business on work devices.

Even if it were a notebook, it could end up in court. If someone sees you writing in a book and talks about it during discovery, you can end up with a court order to produce that book.

Discovery can even be more broad - "provide all written or recorded messages involving this decision" and if you "forget" about your private diary and it's later found out, that's a paddlin'.

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by NordStreamYacht »

brap wrote: post #44

I’m too paranoid to write a diary, even a handwritten one, and I’m literally a nobody. It’s beyond me how these super important (and controversial) people keep diaries where they lay out their evil plots like a villain from Scooby Doo. And save it on a work computer.

They do it to keep track of the stories they have told different people.

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by SoftTalker »

brap wrote: post #44

I’m too paranoid to write a diary, even a handwritten one, and I’m literally a nobody. It’s beyond me how these super important (and controversial) people keep diaries where they lay out their evil plots like a villain from Scooby Doo. And save it on a work computer.

Jounaling is a habit of most of the highly successful people I know (granted, that's a single-digit number, so TIFWIW).

Re: OpenAI president forced to read his personal diary entries to jury

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Post by globalnode »

raverbashing wrote: post #50
ForHackernews wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have options: - Don't write it down. - Delete it before you're subpoenaed. - Mail it to your attorney.

- Write it in a contrived and confusing way

i knew i should have learnt how to write klingon or drow as a teen.
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