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White House Considers Vetting A.I. Models Before They Are Released

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Re: White House Considers Vetting A.I. Models Before They Are Released

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Post by subhobroto »

aurareturn wrote: post #25
changoplatanero wrote: post #23

I have many questions. How would A/B testing work in the scenario where models need to be approved by the government before release? All the big providers commonly a/b test their unreleased models on production traffic. Would these need to be preapproved? Many models get tested on the public for every one that is officially "released". Will the government have the bandwidth to examine each of these? Does changing the…

You just perfectly highlighted why over-regulation in tech is troublesome. This is why I've always been against European tech regulations which gave us the cookie prompt. Politicians shouldn't be product designers. Edit: I'll take the downvotes. Every time I say this, I get downvoted. Weirdly, even EU politicians are beginning to see that they've over regulated their tech industry so much that it can't compete but HN…

> even EU politicians are beginning to see that they've over regulated their tech industry so much that it can't compete

Yes, it feels a bit weird to me that the HN crowd is a fan of regulation although much of the crowd works in the least regulated profession.

Maybe we need to have regulation that puts an automatic expiration on regulation and there's no way to bypass that. Existing regulation nearing expiration can only be extended by a democratic voting process. Just the burden of handling this should naturally filter out regulation that's unpopular or no longer relevant.

Re: White House Considers Vetting A.I. Models Before They Are Released

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Post by CamperBob2 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #43
2ndorderthought wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They know very well that China is going to keep releasing world class models at 1/20th the price and 5-300x smaller in size. They also know they screwed up by going full technofacism and there's no way back because of the trillions invested in oligarchs and it endangers the entire economy.

China can’t keep doing that. This is essentially a capture the market ploy that is government back from them at this point at current DeepSeek prices they would have to make a massive loss.

China can’t keep doing that.

Who or what will stop them?

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Post by rnxrx »

Wouldn't this immediately put the American companies producing these models at a significant disadvantage? Just use an unmolested model hosted by a provider in Vancouver.

If anything, this measure seems like it would create a scenario where services hosted outside the US would become a lot more attractive relative to Trumped AI.

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Post by orwin »

aurareturn wrote: post #25
changoplatanero wrote: post #23

I have many questions. How would A/B testing work in the scenario where models need to be approved by the government before release? All the big providers commonly a/b test their unreleased models on production traffic. Would these need to be preapproved? Many models get tested on the public for every one that is officially "released". Will the government have the bandwidth to examine each of these? Does changing the…

You just perfectly highlighted why over-regulation in tech is troublesome. This is why I've always been against European tech regulations which gave us the cookie prompt. Politicians shouldn't be product designers. Edit: I'll take the downvotes. Every time I say this, I get downvoted. Weirdly, even EU politicians are beginning to see that they've over regulated their tech industry so much that it can't compete but HN…

This is because the law should say "The only circumstances in which you can get your users PII is when they willingly give them to you, as clients/subscribers. The only circumstances you can sell that data or track your users is never".

Instead we tried something that look like a punt, and even then tracking/adtech ghouls aren't happy. I say we should lobby hard to get my version at least examined in the EU parliament (or in any parliament in a EU country, really), that will probably scare them into removing the cookie banners.

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Post by aurareturn »

dgellow wrote: post #50
aurareturn wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is over regulation because regulation always have unintended consequences. The unintended consequence is the cookie prompt. And before someone comes out saying that only "bad" websites want to track you, the official European Union website has a cookie prompt. https://commission.europa.eu/index_en

It’s about consent, that has nothing to do with good or bad

99.999% of people don't care and don't even know what it's suppose to do. Yet, the cookie prompt has collectively wasted how many millions or billions of hours of people's time? How many freaking times has a website fully loaded, shows you a cookie prompt, and clicking on the wrong option will reload the entire website?

The web has gotten worse since cookie prompts and websites lost a bit of competitiveness to mobile apps because of these annoying prompts. Load a website on a phone screen and 30% of the screen is covered by an intrusive cookie prompt.

As an industry, we learned a long time ago that people hate popups. European Union decided to make a law that causes most websites to show a popup or face potentially bankruptcy level of financial punishment.

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Post by hactually »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #33
dgellow wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless we (Europe) start to do the same…

Nah there's literally no reason geopolitically or economically to do that for Europe. The US has more or less entirely botched everything except it's military applications for AI. It's endangering the whole economy in the process too.

uhm. Europe is ID gating their entire internet - they're not bothered about foreign powers, just control.

Re: White House Considers Vetting A.I. Models Before They Are Released

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

hactually wrote: post #59
2ndorderthought wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah there's literally no reason geopolitically or economically to do that for Europe. The US has more or less entirely botched everything except it's military applications for AI. It's endangering the whole economy in the process too.

uhm. Europe is ID gating their entire internet - they're not bothered about foreign powers, just control.

Chat control also failed. There's a lot of hope still.

The thing goes both ways. They have to secure their people from Russian and American propaganda that will be coming by the petabyte once a few more us data centers go online. The US is trying to elect fascists in Europe.

At the same time it's a terrible practice for privacy and human rights. Especially in the wrong hands.

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