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Uber wants to turn its drivers into a sensor grid for self-driving companies

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Re: Uber wants to turn its drivers into a sensor grid for self-driving companies

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

chimpanzee wrote: post #38
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of people have absolutely no foundational belief for their actions it is simply how do I get more money sex property attention etc… There are no monks door dashing

Are you serious? So when I drive Uber to pay rent and feed myself, it is actually because I want sex and attention? Might want to remove the "Wizard" from your bio, it'd be far more accurate.

Yes that is correct

people want to get money so that they can have an “enjoyable life” very few indeed dedicate themselves to a virtue or an ethics above pleasure

“enjoyable life” as defined through pretty much the entirety of written human history consists of sex and play

So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists

Re: Uber wants to turn its drivers into a sensor grid for self-driving companies

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

chimpanzee wrote: post #39
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Define survival first and we can have a conversation They have birthday parties and loving embraces in deprived ghettos that have community solidarity The most beautiful human interactions I’ve ever seen are in the absolute most deprived poor places including when I was working in the fucking Balad hospital in 2010 Virtue does not come from work

I won't debate the definition of survival with a "tired old" developer (oh sorry, "founder") who's idea of virtue is summed up in their own quote regarding creating yet another app for the Apple/Google chattel system: "I rarely get to see my kids. That's a risk you have to take."

Oh this is so great!

I’ve been waiting for someone to pull that one out as a gotcha…

But hey good for you for doing a bunch of searching about me personally (because I intentionally use my name so that people can do precisely what you’re doing) which indicates that I have triggered you to the extent where you’ve taken time out of your day to go and look me up personally

Re: Uber wants to turn its drivers into a sensor grid for self-driving companies

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #51
chimpanzee wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you serious? So when I drive Uber to pay rent and feed myself, it is actually because I want sex and attention? Might want to remove the "Wizard" from your bio, it'd be far more accurate.

Yes that is correct people want to get money so that they can have an “enjoyable life” very few indeed dedicate themselves to a virtue or an ethics above pleasure “enjoyable life” as defined through pretty much the entirety of written human history consists of sex and play So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists

> So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists

Okay. How does this advance the discussion? Obviously then that means opposing that means being anti-human.

Re: Uber wants to turn its drivers into a sensor grid for self-driving companies

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Post by chimpanzee »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #53
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes that is correct people want to get money so that they can have an “enjoyable life” very few indeed dedicate themselves to a virtue or an ethics above pleasure “enjoyable life” as defined through pretty much the entirety of written human history consists of sex and play So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists

> So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists Okay. How does this advance the discussion? Obviously then that means opposing that means being anti-human.

There's no advancement of the discussion to be had.

If I may play his game:

He writes to boost his own ego. By way of making his claim, he seeks to appear wise and wizardly, for who else but he could have made such an astute observation and present it with such confidence; it must certainly be true and he must certainly be better than us.

And who would make such a claim, but the one who is pure enough to see through the muck and see the truth of the claim? He must not be one of the egoist consuming hedonists! He must be outside of them to have seen them!

Or not, perhaps he is one of these egoists and he knows it, and will happily admit it. And by doing so, he will raise himself up even further. For he knows his faults and he is not ashamed to have us know them too. We shall soon see.

In the end, he will soon have more sex. (He already got the attention.)

Re: Uber wants to turn its drivers into a sensor grid for self-driving companies

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Post by whynotmaybe »

philipov wrote: post #10
jdeibele wrote: post #2

I'm old. Was anyone else's reaction to wonder what Uber was doing for audio-video companies? The original title says "self-driving" and that's much more clear.

AV obviously stands for Adult Video.

Rumor has it that some adults video are filmed in a taxi so I guess it figures.

Re: Uber wants to turn its drivers into a sensor grid for self-driving companies

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Post by chimpanzee »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #52
chimpanzee wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't debate the definition of survival with a "tired old" developer (oh sorry, "founder") who's idea of virtue is summed up in their own quote regarding creating yet another app for the Apple/Google chattel system: "I rarely get to see my kids. That's a risk you have to take."

Oh this is so great! I’ve been waiting for someone to pull that one out as a gotcha… But hey good for you for doing a bunch of searching about me personally (because I intentionally use my name so that people can do precisely what you’re doing) which indicates that I have triggered you to the extent where you’ve taken time out of your day to go and look me up personally

I have ADHD so me searching the internet is like breathing. Nothing special.

And your quote, inflammatory marketing slop that it is, is top and center in the images after searching your name once. "A bunch of searching" is not required. There's not much out there about you that requires digging into, just the usual founders' must-haves (crunchbase profile, paid write-ups, personal blog etc). Nothing special there either.

But please do enjoy the extra attention from me. Because that is special. To me.

Re: Uber wants to turn its drivers into a sensor grid for self-driving companies

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Post by simmonmt »

ra7 wrote: post #32

> The insight driving the program, Naga said, is that the limiting factor for AV development is no longer the underlying technology. “The bottleneck is data,” he said. “[Companies like Waymo] need to go around and collect the data, collect different scenarios. You may be able to say: in San Francisco, ‘At this school intersection, I want some data at this time of day so I can train my models.’ The problem for all the…

> When they want data about a school intersection in SF at a certain time of day, they just... synthetically generate it and simulate

I think it's more about detecting changes to the world. You need boots on the ground, so to speak, to see that new speed limit sign or the new lane paint. The Waymo vehicle can no doubt react to changes in the world when it encounters them, relaying them back to the mothership, but it's better to know about them in advance.

Re: Uber wants to turn its drivers into a sensor grid for self-driving companies

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Post by suddenexample »

ra7 wrote: post #32

> The insight driving the program, Naga said, is that the limiting factor for AV development is no longer the underlying technology. “The bottleneck is data,” he said. “[Companies like Waymo] need to go around and collect the data, collect different scenarios. You may be able to say: in San Francisco, ‘At this school intersection, I want some data at this time of day so I can train my models.’ The problem for all the…

Yeah I'm not so sure this CTO is on the mark here, but to be fair, I do think some of this IRL long tail/edge case data is important for Waymo. The simulation software is super interesting to me - the real world can be so chaotic, and even if they could generate every possible real life case, there needs to be validation on whether the Waymo driver is responding in the optimal way. They certainly haven't solved this problem, you can see some of their growing pains in all of these articles - floods in Austin, more and more interactions with emergency vehicles that first responders seem to believe are getting worse, etc.

Tesla on the other hand has billions of miles of data, yet because there is a limit to camera-only techniques, that data isn't that useful is it? They have no ground truth data to evaluate their camera system on, which is why sometimes you see those Teslas driving around with lidar rigs mounted on them. Going camera-only is just asking for trouble.

Re: Uber wants to turn its drivers into a sensor grid for self-driving companies

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #53
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes that is correct people want to get money so that they can have an “enjoyable life” very few indeed dedicate themselves to a virtue or an ethics above pleasure “enjoyable life” as defined through pretty much the entirety of written human history consists of sex and play So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists

> So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists Okay. How does this advance the discussion? Obviously then that means opposing that means being anti-human.

It’s necessary to recognize the limitations of the individual’s and the system they comprise

If it is required to take action in the world as a person or anything that has the capability to do things then by function there is energy required to take action

If the actions of that population are detrimental to the global population, because local measurement of global externalities is ignored, then you have a population that is self-destructive simply because it cannot communicate or coordinate across all of the places that’s having impacts

The systems you currently live in are antihuman…yet entirely composed of humans acting for their own individual gain without the capability of considering the collective whole

Is it anti-human to suggest that existential threat that stems from a total failure of the biological organism to coordinate at the scale that it’s individual impacts have ?

Is it antihuman to claim that the population does not have the capability of being able to counter its own accelerating self-destructive behavior?

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