> “The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city. the two things i still dont understand are: 1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant t…
If it really has to be a live system, they could just set one up in a broom closet at hq?
City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
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#52Meanwhile YC President Garry Tan continues to support and defend Flock. I'm curious how he'd spin this as a good thing.
That little man has eroded any respect that he might have been a priori granted with his publicly documented descent into a vibecoding mania. I'm still in disbelief that the very silly photographer guy is the CEO of ycombinator. Ah well, it was a good era.
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If a school shooter was in your children's daycare, wouldn't you want there to be cameras so you knew where they were? ...is how I imagine that one goes.
So you can then watch the shooting in nice graphic details, right? Or do you want cameras integrated with remote-controlled machine guns?
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#54If a demo environment isn't tightly scoped and audited, it's production in practice. The demo label doesn't matter.
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What does this have to do with cameras covering little kids doing gymnastics? I'm sorry you had a bad experience and using cameras to protect yourself is a thing but filming kids doing gymnastics seems very very far from purely defensive.
I want to have video evidence, if some crazy person blames kid for provoking the attack!
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#58All Flock footage should be subject to FOIA requests.
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Any sane business that has lots of random people coming in will have cameras recording (except in bathrooms/locker rooms). There is too much opportunity for crime, and a camera is cheap. If something happens you pull up the feed from the last month and give the interesting parts to the police; most often you just delete everything after a month. More than one crime has been solved this way. That said, if there wasn't…
The problem isn't having cameras. Its that these cameras should be closed circuit with data residing locally, not being sent to a 3rd party that has full access to the video streams, and who processes them, combines them with other parties, resells data from them, or hands them over without a warrant!
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> There is too much opportunity for crime, and a camera is cheap. The camera doesn't prevent crime. It just displaces it. Even when it doesn't it will not prevent the crime from happening. It _may_ provide you an opportunity to prosecute the person who committed it. In reality the only real reason to have one is to reduce your insurance premiums. > crime has been solved A perpetrator was potentially caught and now ha…
> The camera doesn't prevent crime. It just displaces it. That's why I periodically leave a bunch of bicycles with cheap locks downtown. They act like a kind of criminal sacrificial anode, reducing crime in the rest of the city.