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Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by ankurdhama »

robertjpayne wrote: post #36
dwedge wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Neo won't sell dozens of models they will take the low end laptop market by storm. I think your comment will age very poorly

This exactly. No other laptop comes close on price for the hardware you get. Yeah you may get more ram in a PC but promise you it won’t feel as fast when you’re using it day to day or have as good of a display or battery life.

In same price range you can get a PC that not only has more ram but also has better multicore performance, better disk speed and better port selection. Yes neo wins on build quality, trackpad, speaker, display and battery life but the PC would also allow you to install any linux distro.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by apexalpha »

As I play more with Agents like Hermes and Openclaw I've come to realise these truly are the new GUI.

I have Radarr and Sonarr running on my homeserver. I switched my model to cloud Claude, pasted the API docs of said apps and told it to make 'search, add, remove, update, and statusupdate' available in a small MCP.

It took 7 minutes, I switched back to my local Qwen3.6 model and I haven't touched the webinterface of Radarr and Sonarr in weeks. I just ask the model.

Everyone now gets a chat with my (telegram) AI bot in stead of relaying requests through me.

I have been looking into a decent local device. DGX Spark, Mac Studio etc... I think I am willing to spend on this, it really does feel like the 'iPhone moment' for me: I am not going back to individual front-ends for everything when my AI bot is a unified frontend for all API based software.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by apexalpha »

operatingthetan wrote: post #11
wiradikusuma wrote: post #3

I guess the sudden demand is due to OpenClaw? But most people will still use cloud LLMs, right? Anything particular with the Mac Mini that non-Mac lack?

An M4 mini is overkill just to run OpenClaw. I'm running it on a Pentium J5005 and it's running 20 other services in Docker. I think the main thing was many wanted it to be able to access iMessage. I think people dream of also using the mac to run the LLM but the 16gb ones don't have enough ram.

When they say 'due to openclaw' they refer to running AI models that openclaw uses, not to openclaw itself.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by apexalpha »

ksec wrote: post #15

It is the SoC, not the memory as reported in the earning call. And lead time for SOC is 3-4 months. i.e even if they decided to increase order in March, if would be at least until July those volumes reaches warehouse ready to be shipped. And that is assuming there are spare capacity from TSMC for Apple to order, right now there is very little to none. What annoys me most isn't the Mac Studio and Mini. It is the Neo.…

>It is the SoC, not the memory as reported in the earning call.

Is the memory not part of the SoC?

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by zarzavat »

ffsm8 wrote: post #48
zarzavat wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just OpenClaw. The Mac mini is just stupidly good value for a desktop computer, and the RAM prices have only enhanced its appeal. Apple doesn't make much of a fuss about it but their chip performance is laughably ahead of the other chipmakers. The Mac Mini M4 gets a score of 3788 in Geekbench[0]. The top of the PC processor chart is 3395[1]. It's not even Apple's latest chip! PC processors can only keep up by add…

If you remove the Mac filter, its performance is not even in the top ten Which is obvious if you spent more then half a microsecond thinking about it, because apple silicone barely draws any power - it's performance is fantastic in it's niche, which is squarely within what a home user cares about - but it's not leading on benchmark performance, because that's not what apple designed it for The reason its coincidental…

Which top 10 are you talking about? If you mean the top absolute geekbench scores, those are always with the assistance of cryogenic cooling.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by apexalpha »

rbanffy wrote: post #49

I was hoping for an M5 mini and Studio ahead of time, but I guess I'll have to wait a little longer. Maybe by the time they sort it out there will be an M5 Ultra Mac Studio with a full terabyte of RAM.

If I start the application process now I might have my second mortgage approved by the time said 1TB RAM M5 Ultra is available.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by ashdksnndck »

hparadiz wrote: post #14
operatingthetan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An M4 mini is overkill just to run OpenClaw. I'm running it on a Pentium J5005 and it's running 20 other services in Docker. I think the main thing was many wanted it to be able to access iMessage. I think people dream of also using the mac to run the LLM but the 16gb ones don't have enough ram.

The shortage is for the 512, 256, and 128 models.

The basic 16GB Mac mini is also hard to buy. I bought one used not to save money but because I couldn’t find any store online with it in stock.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by klueinc »

apexalpha wrote: post #52

As I play more with Agents like Hermes and Openclaw I've come to realise these truly are the new GUI. I have Radarr and Sonarr running on my homeserver. I switched my model to cloud Claude, pasted the API docs of said apps and told it to make 'search, add, remove, update, and statusupdate' available in a small MCP. It took 7 minutes, I switched back to my local Qwen3.6 model and I haven't touched the webinterface of…

How are you handling secrets? I want hermes to do stuff on the internet but I am not enthused about dumping the requried keys in .env.local or using process wrapper services like infisical yet. Encapsulating hermes in a docker sandbox feels slippery and I'm always left thinking if i've hardened my server enough.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by joakleaf »

akmarinov wrote: post #32
ksec wrote: post #15

It is the SoC, not the memory as reported in the earning call. And lead time for SOC is 3-4 months. i.e even if they decided to increase order in March, if would be at least until July those volumes reaches warehouse ready to be shipped. And that is assuming there are spare capacity from TSMC for Apple to order, right now there is very little to none. What annoys me most isn't the Mac Studio and Mini. It is the Neo.…

Historically whenever they’ve done lower price products - iPhone SE, the current E editions, etc - they’ve sold poorly, that’s what probably got them. The thing is that the Neo is actually useful.

I disagree.

I am old enough to remember the iPod nano -- Especially the 2nd generation. They were effectively low-priced and smaller iPods.

Apple sold millions of these much much quicker than the iPods and iPod minis (which came right before). Especially in 2006, it was _the_ "Christmas gift" just before the iPhone, iPod touch and later iPad mini took over. Possibly Steve Jobs' demo where he showed how they fit into the otherwise useless small jeans pocket helped convince the world.

The iPod nano effectively wiped out the competing music player market.

The Neo reminds me of the iPod nano and iPad mini. It is smaller and cheaper version of an existing successful product.

I think the iPhone SE and E are the outliers.

Re: Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Supply for Months

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Post by fredoralive »

apexalpha wrote: post #54
ksec wrote: post #15

It is the SoC, not the memory as reported in the earning call. And lead time for SOC is 3-4 months. i.e even if they decided to increase order in March, if would be at least until July those volumes reaches warehouse ready to be shipped. And that is assuming there are spare capacity from TSMC for Apple to order, right now there is very little to none. What annoys me most isn't the Mac Studio and Mini. It is the Neo.…

>It is the SoC, not the memory as reported in the earning call. Is the memory not part of the SoC?

It’s a separate die, even in chips like the phone ones where it’s in the same package as the SoC.
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