Live data from Hacker News

Germany has become the largest ammunition producer in the world

prm.ua

51–60 of 122 posts

Re: Germany has become the largest ammunition producer in the world

#52

German industry is changing a lot loosing against China, so they have been moving to war related stuff for the past years. Personally, I know a bunch of people who were offered get transferred from VW to a military drone company. On one side I understand that manufacturing a lot of weapons could be somehow a protection for the future, but also Germany provides a lot of ammunition to Israel that is killing thousands o…

In the US and Germany, economists say that war and defense companies have to pay a "social stigma premium" since average people don't really like to work there given equal wages. The premium is a revealed preference: even people who wouldn't articulate a moral objection are implicitly expressing one through their labor market behavior.

So if you look at how they behave, it seems that many people agree.

Re: Germany has become the largest ammunition producer in the world

#53
post #46

German industry is changing a lot loosing against China, so they have been moving to war related stuff for the past years. Personally, I know a bunch of people who were offered get transferred from VW to a military drone company. On one side I understand that manufacturing a lot of weapons could be somehow a protection for the future, but also Germany provides a lot of ammunition to Israel that is killing thousands o…

This is a crazy world. Everyone should stay away from war

Unfortunately that's the default state of the world. The comparatively peaceful post WW2 period was the weird thing.

Re: Germany has become the largest ammunition producer in the world

#54
post #44

[flagged]

Not sure why you are voted down. Came here to make the same joke.

It's a dumb joke considering Germany has been one of the most peaceful countries in decades. And the people making the jokes are often citizens of a country actively engaged in wars.

Re: Germany has become the largest ammunition producer in the world

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual risks of modern day Germany going on a hegemonic rampage across Europe are extremely low. Their interests these days are much more aligned with maintaining proper democratic institutions, the EU, and being a voice for the free non-russia-aligned world.

All of which was also true for the US... right up until it wasn't.

The US political system is inherently unstable. It has a strong god-king executive branch of government, and only uses first-past-the-post voting, which results in truly insane election results, and little to no need for cross-party coalition building.

Germany has a partially proportionate-representation multi-party strong-parliament system. While some fringe lunatics can definitely win an election, they are incredibly unlikely to sweep it.

Re: Germany has become the largest ammunition producer in the world

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual risks of modern day Germany going on a hegemonic rampage across Europe are extremely low. Their interests these days are much more aligned with maintaining proper democratic institutions, the EU, and being a voice for the free non-russia-aligned world.

All of which was also true for the US... right up until it wasn't.

Yeah, the US, which doesn't even want to put boots on the ground regarding Iran, will totally start invading nuclear powers in Europe any time now. Totally.

Re: Germany has become the largest ammunition producer in the world

#59
post #46

German industry is changing a lot loosing against China, so they have been moving to war related stuff for the past years. Personally, I know a bunch of people who were offered get transferred from VW to a military drone company. On one side I understand that manufacturing a lot of weapons could be somehow a protection for the future, but also Germany provides a lot of ammunition to Israel that is killing thousands o…

This is a crazy world. Everyone should stay away from war

If your neighbor decides not to, the only way for you to stay away from the war is to have weapons to kill them before they get to you...

(Of course, the best solution to an aggressive neighbor is to have so many weapons that they know they would die if they attacked, so they don't even try.)

It only starts to be a problem is when your government starts using those weapons in wars of aggression. Among Western democracies, only the US comes to mind...

Re: Germany has become the largest ammunition producer in the world

#60

German industry is changing a lot loosing against China, so they have been moving to war related stuff for the past years. Personally, I know a bunch of people who were offered get transferred from VW to a military drone company. On one side I understand that manufacturing a lot of weapons could be somehow a protection for the future, but also Germany provides a lot of ammunition to Israel that is killing thousands o…

In the US and Germany, economists say that war and defense companies have to pay a "social stigma premium" since average people don't really like to work there given equal wages. The premium is a revealed preference: even people who wouldn't articulate a moral objection are implicitly expressing one through their labor market behavior. So if you look at how they behave, it seems that many people agree.

Most people give a crap until it affects them personally. Then the extra effort nullifies their give a crap.

Not saying this as a negative. It's just how most people work. We all have excuses and reasons for why, in our special circumstances, it's okay.

People are inherently more selfish than we tend to want to believe. Just how we are.

Post reply on HN