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Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

touwer wrote: post #41
oever wrote: post #26

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This map shows that the Dutch municipalities are nearly all in the Microsoft cloud. https://mxmap.nl/

Love it! All European countries should have one

Heh, here you go: http://mxmap.be https://mxmap.ch/ https://kommune-epost-norge.netlify.app/ for Norway and https://swedish-mail-dependency.netlify.app/ for Sweden.

France even has an official map of this kind, with publicly visible recommendations: https://suiteterritoriale.anct.gouv.fr/conformite/cartograph...

Disclaimer: I made mxmap.be after seeing Swiss ant Dutch counterparts. I did not look at MX records only but also at EHLO replies, SPF and DMARC records and at fronting services.

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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oever wrote: post #48
QuantumNomad_ wrote: post #40

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> And interestingly, code.overheid.nl runs from a residential ip address. That’s not what I’m seeing. IP address is currently 147.181.37.238, which is assigned to ODC-Noord via RIPE. ODC-Noord is a data centre for national government organisations according to https://www.odc-noord.nl/

code.overheid.nl points to 62.59.196.156 which is in the Odido ASN. Checked with `host`, `dig` and hosting-checker.net

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Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by QuantumNomad_ »

oever wrote: post #48
QuantumNomad_ wrote: post #40

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> And interestingly, code.overheid.nl runs from a residential ip address. That’s not what I’m seeing. IP address is currently 147.181.37.238, which is assigned to ODC-Noord via RIPE. ODC-Noord is a data centre for national government organisations according to https://www.odc-noord.nl/

code.overheid.nl points to 62.59.196.156 which is in the Odido ASN. Checked with `host`, `dig` and hosting-checker.net

Darn, I’m on mobile and the tool I used decided to give me details for the base domain overheid.nl when I asked for details about code.overheid.nl :(

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by embedding-shape »

makeitcount wrote: post #43
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

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Doesn't even seem to mention any prior art, there are tons of systems like that deployed and used today already, Decidim is one of them. Why do you keep trying to push someone else's project btw? Is it related to having a code platform meant for open-source in some way?

TBH, I'm not even closely versed in governance systems, but somehow would love to learn from this critical community. I'm open to variety of opinions backed by thorough thinking, and believe that we as a global society can and will go beyond "just" selfish interest prioritization, towards healthier balance for common good. PS.: The earlier we try to encourage exploration and wider discussion of alternatives to "capit…

> TBH, I'm not even closely versed in governance systems,

So again, why keep spreading this project you aren't responsible for, and whose domain you aren't even familiar with?

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by embedding-shape »

oever wrote: post #44
embedding-shape wrote: post #30

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> Their plan is to do nothing to stop the transfer of the system to a USA company And you have concrete proof that this is indeed the plan, stated by the government as the official position, or this is based on your own extrapolation of rumors? The amount of misinformation that any story related to any European country seems to pull in is crazy, seems to be something about the continent that makes some parts of HN fe…

There has not been a single action or communication from government that indicates that they are preventing the ID system from ending up under USA jurisdiction. Parliament has asked government with near unanimity to prevent this from happening. Government has not even acknowledged that this should be prevented.

Right, which I agree, sucks, they should be upfront about what they want to do, regardless of what that is. And ideally their plan should be to try to stop it, I'm with you on this.

But the lack of action is not proof that "their plan is to do nothing" nor "the government plans to hand authentication data over to US", those stronger claims require stronger proof, something you seem to be unable to provide.

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by dewey »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #50
dewey wrote: post #4

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I mean...it's a soft launch, not sure what you expect.

It's a public website, and it's advertised on HN, and after all the failures of the Dutch government to run independent IT infrastructure, we hoped for a better launch.

Everyone can post any website on HN, it's not like they have shared it widely and said that it's done. The website literally says "Soft Launch" in the title.

> "For now, this is a pilot using Forgejo, an open-source, European, and sovereign alternative to GitHub and GitLab. Not all government organisations can use the platform yet. Developers are invited to contribute, with the aim of eventually growing it into a shared Git platform for government bodies."

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by tomudding »

robertlagrant wrote: post #13

UK government has a list[0] of over 17000 OSS projects it has created. [0] https://govbrowse.uk

The Dutch government has a similar list[0] though less extensive and does not (yet) include repos from the new platform

[0] https://oss.developer.overheid.nl/repositories

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by embedding-shape »

noirscape wrote: post #42
embedding-shape wrote: post #17

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None of those things make "The government still plans to place the authentication system of all Dutch citizens in USA hands" a fair characterization, it doesn't seem to be true by any measures, the government has no such plans, unless you can point me to some public session/document that shows that this is actually the plan?

Since a lot of this discussion is talking around the actual situation, let me try and explain it in more detail. The dutch government has an authentication system called DigiD. It's effectively an OAuth protocol for government sites, and one of the few ways in which the Dutch government has centralized IT. Every dutch citizen can get access to it, and probably will need it at some point to deal with the government (p…

We have something similar in Spain too, and I'd be outraged if the government planned to sell it all to a US company as well, don't get me wrong.

But I still don't see the "inaction of blocking the sale" as proof that the government is planning or trying to push that sale through, regardless if I personally happen to disagree or I see the drawbacks from it.

Re: Soft launch of open-source code platform for government

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Post by sigio »

ivolimmen wrote: post #3

I am Dutch and I am glad they finally started to do some open sourcing. I have worked at different governmental bodies and have been promoting open source for some time now. But as a simple 'added hands for hire' I never got any response to my pleas. I guess it's typical Dutch that we are one of the last to do so.

Also worked for the dutch government for the last 5 years. All or most of the projects we did have been open-sourced on github over the years. Currently there are plans to move them to code.overheid.nl I think, though I no longer work there currently. (I was the github org-admin for the department)
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