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Period tracking app, Flo, found to be selling user data to Meta

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Re: Period tracking app, Flo, found to be selling user data to Meta

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> It seems like we can’t just necessarily leave it up to companies – or their ragtag teams of crackpot lawyers rewriting privacy policies every few months – to keep our private data private. It's not a medical requirement from a doctor, so just keep a diary if you want to. Not everything needs to be an app. All the money spent on regulations and regulators to cover increasingly niche opt-in services that are entirely…

privacy legislation would just solve the problem by itself though.

> privacy legislation would just solve the problem by itself though

Just like banning drugs and murder did!

Re: Period tracking app, Flo, found to be selling user data to Meta

#52

It's really sad that we have all this technology but we can't trust any of it.

I'll make a period tracker for you for 5 bucks a month. You won't buy it, because it costs 5 bucks a month. So I'll have to find alternative monetisation strategies.

Why would me giving you 5 bucks a month assure you didn't also sell all of the data from the period tracker app? That's money you'd just be leaving on the table.

Re: Period tracking app, Flo, found to be selling user data to Meta

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Privacy legislation by itself does not solve the problem; what Flo did was already illegal. Effective enforcement is also necessary.

They need to make an example out of these companies. If your whole business model is built around handling sensitive data, and you are caught shipping off that data to brokers, you should be liquidated or at least fined to within an inch of bankruptcy, as basically all of your profits are a sham.

Fined into bankruptcy and all managers up to and including the CEO criminally charged.

Re: Period tracking app, Flo, found to be selling user data to Meta

#54
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I don’t have the right configuration of equipment to use an app like this, but does anyone know why this needs to be a service-driven app? What piece of functionality requires a server to track your health?

Better revenue model? Pushing some data to the server, serving ads to the app, reselling demographic data, etc all allow for more revenue than just the price of installation.

There are almost certainly other apps in the space that don’t need a server, don’t phone home to Meta, and are lower priced, but they probably aren’t as good at marketing.

From my experience in the startup world, I would wager that this developer probably wanted to track marketing campaign installs (Meta library is required to close the loop on Facebook/Instagram ad conversions after app install) or wanted a feature from some Meta library they integrated but didn’t realize or care about the consequences.

Re: Period tracking app, Flo, found to be selling user data to Meta

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I don't actually see this as a problem, and instead it's a PSA everyone needs to internalize: If you put data onto a networked device it may be sent to some place else. If you don't want your data being shared: Use a device that does not have any networking capability (both hardware and software wise) Use a pen and paper, you can shred and destroy as you see fit. If you're using an application on a mobile device with…

You can use a networked device, but make sure the data is stored somewhere you control (and own).

Re: Period tracking app, Flo, found to be selling user data to Meta

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If you stop having a period for a few months and then start again, it may be worth buying some location data during that time to see if you were near any medical offices that may have offered illegal abortion services.

Could they get a warrant for that data anyway?

Re: Period tracking app, Flo, found to be selling user data to Meta

#57

It's really sad that we have all this technology but we can't trust any of it.

I'll make a period tracker for you for 5 bucks a month. You won't buy it, because it costs 5 bucks a month. So I'll have to find alternative monetisation strategies.

Doesn't flo charge ten dollars a month?

https://help.flo.health/hc/en-us/articles/4411278780564-What...

Re: Period tracking app, Flo, found to be selling user data to Meta

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What does thumbing their noses mean? They have been paying while continuing their behavior, or not paying at all? The first seems like it could be resolved with an escalating fine schedule, and the second could be mitigated by requiring Apple/Google to remove it from the app store (one of the rare cases walled gardens are on consumers' side).

> What does thumbing their noses mean? They have been paying while continuing their behavior, or not paying at all? Malicious compliance. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple "While Apple implemented App Store policies to allow developers to link to alternative payment options, the policies still required the developer to provide a 27% revenue share back to Apple , and heavily restricted how…

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Re: Period tracking app, Flo, found to be selling user data to Meta

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you stop having a period for a few months and then start again, it may be worth buying some location data during that time to see if you were near any medical offices that may have offered illegal abortion services.

Could they get a warrant for that data anyway?

Not if you don't have the data. This is one of the reasons that google changed how it tracked people's data.
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