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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by plorkyeran »

apparatur wrote: post #41
angott wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think they’re going to drop support for local backups any time soon. There are lots of enterprise customers relying on Time Machine who will never switch to iCloud. TM can also be configured via MDM settings and is a really common solution for Mac IT administrators, so it would take ages to deprecate it.

"There are a lot of enterprise customers using Xcode server". And poof, it's gone and there's now only the Xcode cloud service. It would not take ages. It would take a single release which no longer supports it. Complaints? Keep using the old one or subscribe.

I am fairly confident in saying that approximately zero enterprise customers used Xcode server. It was extremely limited and targeted at small shops which didn't see the need for a proper CI setup but had an extra machine sitting around to run builds on.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by bananamogul »

sleepybrett wrote: post #48
TimTheTinker wrote: post #14

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It's not "officially" supported, but iFixit has a guide for swapping the drive on a time capsule. I used mine with a 4TB drive for years with no trouble.

Sure, but still just a single drive. My old trusty readynas should still work i think.. probalby. Supports smd for time machine and smb3 generally. If it doesn't I might finally be pushed onto a nas that isn't discontinued.

I had an early ReadyNAS that was a champ for years. I wonder if the fact that it was based on SPARC had anything to do with its longevity.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by _verandaguy »

ryandrake wrote: post #46
pvtmert wrote: post #2

Although TimeCapsule is more than decade old, it serves nicely with TimeMachine (automatic backups). Sad to see that going away permanently for Apple Silicon.

"Dropping support for things just because they are old" is typical commercial software behavior. I can run the latest Linux kernel and still have access to an internal floppy disk drive if I wanted to, yet billion dollar companies can't seem to manage to support 10 year old stuff. I still am sore from when I "upgraded" macOS and suddenly support for my 1080i TV was gone. Yesterday it worked fine, today it's gone. All…

The economics make the reasoning obvious, though.

With closed source IP, every bit of support, from bug fixes, to feature requests, to compatibility fixes to integrate with newer mainline/foundational tooling, costs money.

With open source projects (and in particular ones like Linux where there's a huge number of contributors and interested parties), support for would-be niche facilities can keep going as long as there's someone with the knowledge and spare time to do it.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by bananamogul »

apparatur wrote: post #7

Next: macOS iCloud backups and the eventual deprecation of local Time Machine backups altogether. More services revenue!

People have been asking for iCloud macOS backups since iCloud was introduced. It would be very popular. I'm not sure why Apple doesn't offer this, because it's easy revenue.

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Post by iAMkenough »

sleepybrett wrote: post #48
TimTheTinker wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "officially" supported, but iFixit has a guide for swapping the drive on a time capsule. I used mine with a 4TB drive for years with no trouble.

Sure, but still just a single drive. My old trusty readynas should still work i think.. probalby. Supports smd for time machine and smb3 generally. If it doesn't I might finally be pushed onto a nas that isn't discontinued.

From a risk assessment standpoint, I’ve seen my Time Machine backups corrupted much more frequently than I’ve experienced drive failure. Happened with both my Time Capsule and then my Synology RAID.

It’s a “nice to have” automatic backup, but not a primary backup destination for me.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by p_ing »

j16sdiz wrote: post #38
kstrauser wrote: post #32

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I can pull about 700MB/s off my NAS over a 10Gb link. I wouldn’t exactly call it slow.

I think SMB is quite chatty -- if you have lots of small files, you can get quite slow.

That was SMBv1. Not SMB of today.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by p_ing »

shantara wrote: post #26

>Apple made SMB its primary file-sharing protocol in OS X 10.9 Mavericks, over 12 years ago… …and yet SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue, so there’s no in…

Apple has their own implementation of SMB in macOS and it's one of the worst out there. Dropping connections, can't re-establish connections automatically after sleep, and performance issues.

Why they didn't keep Samba (licensing, probably) is beyond me.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by traderj0e »

shantara wrote: post #26

>Apple made SMB its primary file-sharing protocol in OS X 10.9 Mavericks, over 12 years ago… …and yet SMB support in macOS remains slow and buggy to this day. I tried all combinations of server-side settings and obscure plist tweaks to make SMB navigation and search work as fast as they do on my Linux machine out of box before giving up. It is very obviously not a priority for their services revenue, so there’s no in…

Yeah, can't remember the last time I even bothered with SMB because it's so buggy. Usually I don't need filesystem behavior, I'll just push/pull files over SSH.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Post by AlexandrB »

FireBeyond wrote: post #15
AlexandrB wrote: post #10

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The story of TimeMachine is a tragedy: a revolutionary feature that made backups accessible for normal people allowed to lie fallow for a decade or more until it's as annoying and unreliable as anything else. I now use Carbon Copy Cloner to avoid the TM headaches.

I never found it to be overly reliable. It was reliable... for a while . Then would silently fail/stop working, or just tell you that it had stopped working and that whatever you had in it was no longer accessible. And then I went to Acronis True Image backing up to my Synology NAS, but that became unreliable too - oftentimes when I'd go to do a restore, the client would crash trying to read the catalog. So, like you…

Yeah, you may be right. I have fond memories of it from around 2008, but those might be from the initial experience and not all the "you need to recreate your back from scratch" errors that would crop up after a while.
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