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Smart TV tracking raises privacy concerns (2024)

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Re: Smart TV tracking raises privacy concerns (2024)

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Post by rationalist »

Larrikin wrote: post #49
rationalist wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> oh no! Coca Cola will think i like latex? Shoot, this ruins my retirement plans. Oh no! Now you didn't get that job because the company farms out their background checks and that company uses these metrics to determine different types of risks (social risks, financial risks (you must really like gambling after clicking on all of those gambling ads), etc). Oh no! Now you're on an extremist list and being investigate…

Yea this isn't a thing and is just another scare tactic that gets dragged out when Ad Nauseum is brought up as the better solution. It's banned in the Chrome because it works

I don't know, some of the other Black Mirror episodes ended up being right on the money.

Ah yes, "banned because it works"... That's why lots of stuff is banned /s

Re: Smart TV tracking raises privacy concerns (2024)

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Post by Larrikin »

therobots927 wrote: post #44
Larrikin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is producing multiple series that each could be in contention for a top spot on best sci Fi TV shows of all time.

Which ones?

Foundation, For All Mankind, Silo, Pluribus, Monarch. See was pretty good but is over

Invasion isn't as good as the above but still better than a lot of shows before it.

Severance second season made me question the show's quality sadly

Re: Smart TV tracking raises privacy concerns (2024)

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Post by Larrikin »

rationalist wrote: post #51
Larrikin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea this isn't a thing and is just another scare tactic that gets dragged out when Ad Nauseum is brought up as the better solution. It's banned in the Chrome because it works

I don't know, some of the other Black Mirror episodes ended up being right on the money. Ah yes, "banned because it works"... That's why lots of stuff is banned /s

Cool

Re: Smart TV tracking raises privacy concerns (2024)

#54

Post by genewitch »

rationalist wrote: post #47
genewitch wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, but for that i use TrackMeNot plugin, which gets a list of headlines then does headline remixes/mashup and googles/searches for them on a set schedule of your choosing. you can choose to disallow words that would be illegal to search for in your jurisdiction. also, oh no! Coca Cola will think i like latex? Shoot, this ruins my retirement plans.

> oh no! Coca Cola will think i like latex? Shoot, this ruins my retirement plans. Oh no! Now you didn't get that job because the company farms out their background checks and that company uses these metrics to determine different types of risks (social risks, financial risks (you must really like gambling after clicking on all of those gambling ads), etc). Oh no! Now you're on an extremist list and being investigate…

What sort of sites do you think i visit?

also good luck doing price discrimination when i'm at a regular store in meatspace. i don't use any apps for any brand or store. If there comes a day where it is possible to "update prices in realtime" in stores, before i get to the register, and it's somehow legal for them to charge a different price at the register than it says on the shelf; then i won't shop at that store.

all stores are like that? doubtful. the farmer's market isn't.

I also don't particularly care if some employer passes me over because of what ads i click on. If any of you work for a company that does this, can you let us know the name of the company?

Also, oh no, not an investigation where nothing illegal happened! What will i do? Oh right, "i don't answer questions unless my lawyer directs me to. you can call him, here's his card"

reply to your "/s" comment below: it's banned because google is an adtech company that also makes "the most popular browser." I have no idea what strings ublock origin (or whatever they changed the name to this week) pulled to still "technically" be allowed (or was allowed, a few years ago); but ad nauseam uses the same lists as ublock, as well as possibly others.

I don't use chrome, and haven't for like 6 years; it isn't installed on my PC and it isn't my browser on android (when allowed to make the decision.)

But i cannot imagine the thought process that got us here. How did you come to believe all of the things you typed?

Re: Smart TV tracking raises privacy concerns (2024)

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Post by beAbU »

AirMax98 wrote: post #11

Dumb devices have gotta be a billion dollar market at this point.

Unfortunately most just don't care, and a truly dumb tv will have to be so expensive no-one will want to buy it.

People tend to really underestimate the value of their personal information, so they don't really realize how much their modern tech is subsidized by personal information.

Re: Smart TV tracking raises privacy concerns (2024)

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Post by luckys »

mlindner wrote: post #14
its-summertime wrote: post #4

https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.06203 the study Instructions given from the twitter thread but are probably slop: Samsung: Menu → Settings → All Settings → General & Privacy → Terms & Privacy → Turn off "Viewing Information Services" LG: Settings → General → System → Additional Settings → Turn off "Live Plus" Settings → Support → Privacy & Terms → User Agreements → Turn off "Viewing Information" Roku TVs (TCL, Hisense, Ph…

FWIW, I would not trust LG here to actually do nothing even after turning all the elements off, their GUI is especially "web"-like. Just leave it disconnected. I don't understand why people can't just get a secondary device for accessing live streaming programs. There's numerous devices you can buy that do it. TVs should not be connected to the internet. The incentive structures are just too bad against the user.

They'll probably start making them with sim card and modem at some point. I can picture it now on a future ebay listing: faraday cage for your tv - only 99.99!

Re: Smart TV tracking raises privacy concerns (2024)

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Post by rationalist »

genewitch wrote: post #54
rationalist wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> oh no! Coca Cola will think i like latex? Shoot, this ruins my retirement plans. Oh no! Now you didn't get that job because the company farms out their background checks and that company uses these metrics to determine different types of risks (social risks, financial risks (you must really like gambling after clicking on all of those gambling ads), etc). Oh no! Now you're on an extremist list and being investigate…

What sort of sites do you think i visit? also good luck doing price discrimination when i'm at a regular store in meatspace. i don't use any apps for any brand or store. If there comes a day where it is possible to "update prices in realtime" in stores, before i get to the register, and it's somehow legal for them to charge a different price at the register than it says on the shelf; then i won't shop at that store.…

I believe those are possibilities and plan accordingly.

I pay attention to what's going on and care - it has worked out very well for me in life.

Re: Smart TV tracking raises privacy concerns (2024)

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Post by naikrovek »

I have an open WiFi network provisioned which can’t reach the internet or even outside its own VLAN. Some tvs will automatically connect to open APs and use them, so I made my own which has the strongest signal of any of them.

Otherwise, TVs in my house do not get the WiFi SSID or password. I also don’t plug in Ethernet unless I need to do a firmware update, which I did one time.

AppleTV connected and am happy.

If TVs won’t come in dumb form, I’ll separate them from their remote brains and make them dumb.

Re: Smart TV tracking raises privacy concerns (2024)

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Post by naikrovek »

m463 wrote: post #29
its-summertime wrote: post #4

https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.06203 the study Instructions given from the twitter thread but are probably slop: Samsung: Menu → Settings → All Settings → General & Privacy → Terms & Privacy → Turn off "Viewing Information Services" LG: Settings → General → System → Additional Settings → Turn off "Live Plus" Settings → Support → Privacy & Terms → User Agreements → Turn off "Viewing Information" Roku TVs (TCL, Hisense, Ph…

I thought texas sued them all because they did it even after changing settings.

Those preferences get turned back on after firmware updates, which is yet another reason to disconnect them entirely
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