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The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by gruez »

lizknope wrote: post #11

Every PC gamer / hardware tech review forum is full of anti-AI hatred. People want to buy a new GPU, add RAM, a new SSD, or hard drive. All of these have doubled or quadrupled in price in just a few months. Then there are reddit threads every day where I think 30% of the original posts and comments are AI generated spam. If I see a post with emdashes or anything that ends by asking for "thoughts?" I just down vote an…

>Then we see posts about AI data centers and electricity use which will lead to higher electric bills for ordinary people if demand is higher than supply.

That hasn't really played out in reality. The correlation between datacenter capacity growth and electricity price growth is poor.

https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20251101_USC...

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by klik99 »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #27
klik99 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The company whos blog it is is "AI-assisted clinical documentation" - I feel this is an attempt to explain anti-AI sentiment as an unreasonable aversion to AI rather than the real reasons for anti-AI sentiment. There's a weird trend in the AI industry to pathologize people who don't like AI.

It's not "weird", it's hostile marketing. "How do we overcome the negative sentiment we see as an obstacle in order to sell to people who don't want it, or people who will be around people who don't want it?" It's an entirely natural, commonplace, awful thing. See also "how do we market cigarettes" and "how do we maximize social media engagement" (the latter being one reason outrage gets amplified).

I find it weird because I've seen traces of it before in people who believed in the singularity 20 years ago, people who really believed that anti-AI was pathological. Back then the stakes didn't seem as real and immediate as now, and now you can see it on pro-AI reddit subs. But I agree that language and attitude is co-opted for marketing purposes, for example last year when there was a lot of talk about doomerism.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by gondar »

AI is useful

A small group of people are going to acquire immerse wealth and power from this new technology

80% of everyone else will be facing possibility of losing jobs or reduced income, if they still have job

This will be another rust belt decades, but for white collar jobs and costal states

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by xnx »

ronsor wrote: post #37
xnx wrote: post #8

I want to use AI to do my job. I want to use AI to do your job. I don't want someone else to use AI to do my job. I don't want to spend my attention on AI content that takes more time to consume than create.

> I want to use AI to do your job. > I don't want someone else to use AI to do my job. This is just hypocrisy quite honestly.

Yes. This is part of the reason you hear so many people saying they are against AI but use continues to accelerate.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

moron4hire wrote: post #39
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been thinking the opposite. It sucks to be in the generation of workers that are displaced by AI. It's going to be great to be in the generation where work just isn't something that humans are expected to do.

We are never going to live in a society that doesn't expect people to work. There may not be enough work for half the population, but people will still be expected to work to live. We already live in a society that could feed every last poor person and we still choose not to, cuz "but muh tax dollars!"

I mean, assuming we don't hit some limit with AI, we're going to get to the point where the best way humans can affect productivity is to just get out of the way.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by JoshTriplett »

klik99 wrote: post #52
JoshTriplett wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "weird", it's hostile marketing. "How do we overcome the negative sentiment we see as an obstacle in order to sell to people who don't want it, or people who will be around people who don't want it?" It's an entirely natural, commonplace, awful thing. See also "how do we market cigarettes" and "how do we maximize social media engagement" (the latter being one reason outrage gets amplified).

I find it weird because I've seen traces of it before in people who believed in the singularity 20 years ago, people who really believed that anti-AI was pathological. Back then the stakes didn't seem as real and immediate as now, and now you can see it on pro-AI reddit subs. But I agree that language and attitude is co-opted for marketing purposes, for example last year when there was a lot of talk about doomerism.

Yeah. There are many critical safety concerns, and somehow people with vested interests in AI have tried to spin that as "oh, it's astroturf marketing by the AI companies to make it seem like their products are dangerous and therefore powerful, just ignore it". Which is simultaneously trying to promote the products and dismiss the opposition. It's infuriating, and blatantly wrong, but it's also a natural consequence of "it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"[1].

[1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/11/30/salary/

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by JoshTriplett »

enraged_camel wrote: post #38
JoshTriplett wrote: post #30

There is a dead comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47829571 that deserves to be not-dead, and read and understood.

It is AI-generated, which is why it got killed.

Hmmm. I see some possible signs of that.

I think the sentiment is still a valid one, and I think it's an accurate assessment.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

Aerroon wrote: post #50
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been thinking the opposite. It sucks to be in the generation of workers that are displaced by AI. It's going to be great to be in the generation where work just isn't something that humans are expected to do.

That's what the whole UBI thing was about though. People did see this coming and wanted to preempt it. I'm not sure whether it would've worked, but people did try to come up with solutions for this transition period.

There's still plenty of time to figure it out. You're making it sound like it's already too late.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by zarzavat »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #21
zarzavat wrote: post #13

AI is a technology with the explicit end-goal of substituting energy for people. It's not intended to benefit the common man, it's intended to benefit the capital owning classes.

That has been the case since industrialization. It's not exactly new that capitalists want to replace workers with machines. The question is whether there will be new and different jobs for people or if AI and robots will take over everything this time. If that's the case, capitalism will break (nobody can afford to buy the products anymore) and a new economic system will emerge. This could be a great system for ever…

Replacing workers in specific industries is one thing. AI is trying to replace people in general. Expecting new jobs to pop up is misunderstanding the goal of this technology which is to eliminate jobs.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by eudamoniac »

enraged_camel wrote: post #38
JoshTriplett wrote: post #30

There is a dead comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47829571 that deserves to be not-dead, and read and understood.

It is AI-generated, which is why it got killed.

Nah, AI always has its em dashes with no spaces around them.
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