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Re: Louisiana Advances One of the Country's 'Cruelest' Anti-Homeless Bills

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Post by constantius »

Gabriel54 wrote: post #49
adampunk wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You write more but there is still not a hint of sympathy in your words for humans living in the street.

I'm not sure what sympathy has to do with anything we are discussing? People experiencing homelessness do not need sympathy, they need homes and community and support. It is a luxury to be sympathetic because the most sympathetic people are not the people dealing with issues associated with homelessness. In my opinion the way the US deals with homelessness is a disaster because we have a disorganized, disconnected an…

I have to side with the other commenter, you're just waving the issue away while grandstanding. The article discusses jailing homeless people, which would remove them from the view of the public and... and what?

Do you think the flood of sympathy will then be unleashed, unhindered as it is by the disgusting view of the subjects of the sympathy? No, what will happen is that an issue that almost no one cares about (except, like you, in terms of it being a bother) is further removed from public view.

The chance of people being sympathetic and wanting to help those who suffer is much higher if the homeless people aren't removed from their view.

Re: Louisiana Advances One of the Country's 'Cruelest' Anti-Homeless Bills

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Post by adampunk »

Gabriel54 wrote: post #49
adampunk wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You write more but there is still not a hint of sympathy in your words for humans living in the street.

I'm not sure what sympathy has to do with anything we are discussing? People experiencing homelessness do not need sympathy, they need homes and community and support. It is a luxury to be sympathetic because the most sympathetic people are not the people dealing with issues associated with homelessness. In my opinion the way the US deals with homelessness is a disaster because we have a disorganized, disconnected an…

You write more but there is still not a hint of sympathy in your words for humans living in the street.

Inquire within.

Re: Louisiana Advances One of the Country's 'Cruelest' Anti-Homeless Bills

#53

Post by UncleMeat »

LewisVerstappen wrote: post #24
UncleMeat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when people do professional research on the topic, they don't find that every homeless person outside is an addict.

homeless != sleeping on the streets.

The bill also affects people sleeping in tents.

Re: Louisiana Advances One of the Country's 'Cruelest' Anti-Homeless Bills

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Post by adampunk »

constantius wrote: post #51
Gabriel54 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what sympathy has to do with anything we are discussing? People experiencing homelessness do not need sympathy, they need homes and community and support. It is a luxury to be sympathetic because the most sympathetic people are not the people dealing with issues associated with homelessness. In my opinion the way the US deals with homelessness is a disaster because we have a disorganized, disconnected an…

I have to side with the other commenter, you're just waving the issue away while grandstanding. The article discusses jailing homeless people, which would remove them from the view of the public and... and what? Do you think the flood of sympathy will then be unleashed, unhindered as it is by the disgusting view of the subjects of the sympathy? No, what will happen is that an issue that almost no one cares about (exc…

Yeah. I think the ugly thing that the world is going to learn about american's (people outside america think we've plumbed the depths of depravity--we haven't, yet) casual eliminationist views sooner or later.

Most (white) people I meet in the USA, even nice people, almost all operate on the idea that someone "going away" is a solution to problems and when you press they rarely have a care or concern for where that person goes or what happens to them.

Before this decade is out we'll see death camps in this country for indigence (among other things) and no one will give a shit.

Re: Louisiana Advances One of the Country's 'Cruelest' Anti-Homeless Bills

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Post by red-iron-pine »

syoleene wrote: post #7

> Those who are convicted of sleeping outdoors could be given the option to avoid jail time by instead entering into a mandatory treatment program for at least 12 months. The bill authorizes local governments to set up semi-permanent camps in remote areas, where defendants would be required to stay and receive treatment. So basically state funded mandatory rehab for everyone ?

> semi-permanent camps

they're just building concentration camps

and they're camps, not even buildings or treatment facilities. that's gonna get ugly in LA in the summer

Re: Louisiana Advances One of the Country's 'Cruelest' Anti-Homeless Bills

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Post by sidewndr46 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #42
sidewndr46 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While your quote is meant to be snarky, my understanding is that sign isn't at Dachau any longer

It seems strange that they removed the sign after the fact. Unless it was to prevent theft. Copperhead Road in Johnson County TN ( that Copperhead Road) is now known as Copperhead Hollow Road for that reason.

I'm pretty sure it was stolen, then apparently found in a parking lot in Norway. I don't know if they ever got around to putting the real one back up

Re: Louisiana Advances One of the Country's 'Cruelest' Anti-Homeless Bills

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

Gabriel54 wrote: post #32
sapphicsnail wrote: post #25

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Because this isn't about helping people. This is about punishing the homeless.

Or to be more generous, they are tired of seeing drug addicted people sleeping in the street.

Yes, so instead of helping them, they want them to be imprisoned. Out of sight, out of mind, right?

Re: Louisiana Advances One of the Country's 'Cruelest' Anti-Homeless Bills

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Post by Gabriel54 »

constantius wrote: post #51
Gabriel54 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what sympathy has to do with anything we are discussing? People experiencing homelessness do not need sympathy, they need homes and community and support. It is a luxury to be sympathetic because the most sympathetic people are not the people dealing with issues associated with homelessness. In my opinion the way the US deals with homelessness is a disaster because we have a disorganized, disconnected an…

I have to side with the other commenter, you're just waving the issue away while grandstanding. The article discusses jailing homeless people, which would remove them from the view of the public and... and what? Do you think the flood of sympathy will then be unleashed, unhindered as it is by the disgusting view of the subjects of the sympathy? No, what will happen is that an issue that almost no one cares about (exc…

I never said what I think about the law. I think we can agree that it does not address many of the fundamental issues that people experiencing homelessness face. The alternative, however, is not more sympathy but rather specific solutions like a sane health care system (which might include mandatory drug or alcohol rehabilitation) and social service support. Everyone has the right to live in dignity which includes a safe place to live.

> The chance of people being sympathetic and wanting to help those who suffer is much higher if the homeless people aren't removed from their view.

I disagree with this completely. I think seeing homeless people in the street every day makes people think the government is incompetent and unable to deal with a serious issue. This leads to people adopting more extreme measures like exactly the one we are discussing right now.

Re: Louisiana Advances One of the Country's 'Cruelest' Anti-Homeless Bills

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Post by archagon »

archagon wrote: post #48
FireBeyond wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but they also get free needles to help their habit They're not getting free needles to "help their habit", they're getting them so they don't re-use or share. Because what's more difficult to help than an addict? An addict with a communicable, potentially fatal, illness. I am an ex-paramedic. I've lost track of the number of times I've administered narcan, gone to ODs, seen the sheer disaster of cotton fever ( http…

The boiling, unspoken subtext to anti-homeless vitriol is often “well, they should just die then.” On occasion, they actually say it out loud: https://endhomelessness.org/media/news-releases/national-all...

Also, the fact that FireBeyond's comment is downvoted is a massive indictment of this community. They said absolutely nothing worth downvoting for. The hatred for the homeless is sickening.
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