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Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by ap99 »

09725290216 wrote: post #34

I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…

Women can help the front line fighters but if I was running a country I would not want to put a large number of women on the front, especially young women.

Sure they can fight and kill.

But a country that loses its ability to make more people won't last longer than a generation.

Two things a country needs from which all other needs derive: people and a border that can be defended.

Men historically get sacrificed to protect the border. And women "sacrificed" to make more people.

Food, entertainment, religion, government, taxes, education, etc... it's all to serve those two fundamental requirements.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by asksomeoneelse »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #40
09725290216 wrote: post #34

I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…

At the risk of feeding this troll, I'll go for it here. Men and women are essentially different in real biological ways, as well as emotional and socialization. For millennia, women and children have been held innocent and protected. This is why Christian societies don't throw them on the frontlines as cannon fodder, but rather, the men go in front and the men fight, as expendables, while the woman and children can b…

We already disgrace ourselves by having some of the core ideologies of our society being blatant lies.

We have been repeatedly told that "equality" is primordial to our values. That men had to forego their privileges in the name of it.

The hypocrisy of the defenders of those ideas suddenly being so complacent when we look at the other side of the coin is revolting.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by Markoff »

09725290216 wrote: post #34

I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…

> I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary

I still don't understand this in my 40s and after serving in military (conscription) - why would you defend any country?

I can't imagine scenario when I am defending any country just because some other management wanna take over, I mean, what's the point risking your life for having different politicians maybe speaking different language.

If you fight people are gonna get killed, so unless it is some evil taking over who wanna do genocide, if it's just about gaining area/resources whar's the point in fighting?

I'd sure protect my own family if it would be in danger, but if I don't fight other soldiers why would they care about my family?

Btw. while I agree the conscription should be equal, you need much more women to repopulate the country than you need the men, since men don't give a birth.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by Timon3 »

flohofwoe wrote: post #13

This was pretty much a big media nothingburger. The rule isn't new, it existed for decades all the way back to the beginnings of the Cold War. Nobody cared back then (neither the people nor the army), nobody should care now (there are no sanctions). I guess some journalist was actually reading through the consciption law (as probably the only person on the planet), stumbled over that passage and turned it into an ele…

The rule was literally changed in January. No, it didn't exist all the way back to the beginnings of the cold war!

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by vocram »

ap99 wrote: post #51
09725290216 wrote: post #34

I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…

Women can help the front line fighters but if I was running a country I would not want to put a large number of women on the front, especially young women. Sure they can fight and kill. But a country that loses its ability to make more people won't last longer than a generation. Two things a country needs from which all other needs derive: people and a border that can be defended. Men historically get sacrificed to p…

I hate to call out the obvious, but sacrificing is mandated by laws only in one case.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by asksomeoneelse »

ap99 wrote: post #51
09725290216 wrote: post #34

I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…

Women can help the front line fighters but if I was running a country I would not want to put a large number of women on the front, especially young women. Sure they can fight and kill. But a country that loses its ability to make more people won't last longer than a generation. Two things a country needs from which all other needs derive: people and a border that can be defended. Men historically get sacrificed to p…

If you are okay with men being forced to go to war by laws, are you also okay with women being forced to "make more people" by laws ?

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by Grimburger »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #40
09725290216 wrote: post #34

I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…

At the risk of feeding this troll, I'll go for it here. Men and women are essentially different in real biological ways, as well as emotional and socialization. For millennia, women and children have been held innocent and protected. This is why Christian societies don't throw them on the frontlines as cannon fodder, but rather, the men go in front and the men fight, as expendables, while the woman and children can b…

I think you have a misconception of how modern militaries work and think every one is out with a gun fighting.

Only around 10% of the US military is in combat roles.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by flohofwoe »

Timon3 wrote: post #54
flohofwoe wrote: post #13

This was pretty much a big media nothingburger. The rule isn't new, it existed for decades all the way back to the beginnings of the Cold War. Nobody cared back then (neither the people nor the army), nobody should care now (there are no sanctions). I guess some journalist was actually reading through the consciption law (as probably the only person on the planet), stumbled over that passage and turned it into an ele…

The rule was literally changed in January. No, it didn't exist all the way back to the beginnings of the cold war!

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/wehrdienst-aus...

"Die Regelung habe bereits in den Zeiten des Kalten Krieges gegolten "und hatte keine praktische Relevanz", teilte das Ministerium mit. Sie sei auch nicht sanktioniert. Im Gegensatz zur alten Fassung gilt die Genehmigungspflicht nun auch außerhalb des Spannungs- und Verteidigungsfalls."

The rule existed, but apparently they broadened the scope. In any case, even if the rule is ignored nothing happens - so the question is of course why that rule exists in the first place of course.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by Tade0 »

pantalaimon wrote: post #45
ozlikethewizard wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poland are in Nato, I'd expect europe wide deployment on an invasion. Itll definitely be volunteer forces at first, but I wouldn't hold my breath on conscripted forces never being deployed if it goes into a quagmire like ukraine.

If NATO still exists by then.

NATO would have to collapse before the midterms or the current POTUS' natural death - whichever came first.

I find that unlikely.

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