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Brunost: The Nynorsk Programming Language

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Re: Brunost: The Nynorsk Programming Language

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Post by atomfinger »

skrebbel wrote: post #49

I understand "fast fart er 80" and it makes sense, but I think present tense "er" for mutable variables is super weird, and implies functional semantics in an imperative world. Like eg this: endreleg fart er 80 This is weird! It can change but it is 80? Was it already? Will it forever? Should that maybe be "blir" instead? (pardon my nonexisting Nynorsk, I'm extrapolanorsking from Danish "bliver") Eg: endrelig fart bl…

I have actually changes this in a newer version of the language.

Now it is "låst" and "open", as in:

  låst fart er 80

  open fartsgrense er 110
Mostly because the length difference between "endreleg" and "låst" triggered me.

Re: Brunost: The Nynorsk Programming Language

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Post by vidarh »

keybored wrote: post #46
vidarh wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What I questioned was its truthfulness You can question the truthfulness all you want. It doesn't change the fact that this has been a well established aspect of the language struggle in Norway for well over a century, to the point that when I went to school it was even covered in history lessons. I'm mystified with how you are ignorant of this. Bokmål has it's origin firmly in being derived from Danish via Riksmål…

Prestige = elite strata. That answers my question.

Yes, coming from the elite strata is and has objectively been considered signifiers of high status and prestige in most societies throughout human history.

I sense that you are trying to imply that I am applying some kind of value judgement in recognising what people have historically found prestigiuous.

If so you are completely missing the point.

Re: Brunost: The Nynorsk Programming Language

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Post by vidarh »

mhd wrote: post #28
vidarh wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Norwegian with passable German, written Dutch feels almost like just jumbling some letters around and adding unnecessary consonants... (Spoken Dutch, though, is entirely incomprehensible to me) The language continuum around the North Sea is fairly tight (more so if you consider Low German instead of standard German so you don't need to deal with the effects of the annoying High German consonant shift (think Dag…

I once had some Norwegian room mates in Ireland, and whenever we collectively couldn't find the proper English word, we usually got lucky with our native tongues. When listening to Scandi TV series, I'm still surprised more than I should be by the occasional match (recently: suddenly -> "plutselig", similar to German "plötzlich"). Now, as for the Danish room mate, he might as well have been speaking Greek.

In Norway, Danish is sometimes subjected to friendly ridicule as sounding like Norwegian spoken with a potato in your mouth...

Danish is if anything ever so slightly closer to German in vocabulary and grammar, but the pronunciation is another matter.

The effect is bigger in writing. In high school I worked my way through Faust in German by finding an old Danish translation as a parallel text - the old Danish version was a decent halfway point when I struggled too much with the German, and helped me find similarities I wouldn't otherwise.

Re: Brunost: The Nynorsk Programming Language

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Post by lrasinen »

mhd wrote: post #27
lrasinen wrote: post #8

One of these years I'm going to make a Finnish programming language that enforces the correct case in arguments. And I don't mean silly arguments like camelCase vs kebab-case, I mean grammar. Some examples to illustrate: tiedosto on "foo.txt" avattuna tulostin on PRN1 kirjoita(tiedostoon, "a") kirjoita(tulostimelle, "b") Job security for DECADES.

Like a more devious Lingua::Romana::Perligata? https://metacpan.org/dist/Lingua-Romana-Perligata/view/lib/L...

Perhaps more inspired by the INTERCAL's PLEASE.

Re: Brunost: The Nynorsk Programming Language

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Post by keybored »

vidarh wrote: post #52
keybored wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prestige = elite strata. That answers my question.

Yes, coming from the elite strata is and has objectively been considered signifiers of high status and prestige in most societies throughout human history. I sense that you are trying to imply that I am applying some kind of value judgement in recognising what people have historically found prestigiuous. If so you are completely missing the point.

That the elite strata is prestigious according to History is tautological considering what History is.

Re: Brunost: The Nynorsk Programming Language

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Post by vidarh »

keybored wrote: post #55
vidarh wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, coming from the elite strata is and has objectively been considered signifiers of high status and prestige in most societies throughout human history. I sense that you are trying to imply that I am applying some kind of value judgement in recognising what people have historically found prestigiuous. If so you are completely missing the point.

That the elite strata is prestigious according to History is tautological considering what History is.

Of course that is not at all what I wrote.

Re: Brunost: The Nynorsk Programming Language

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Post by yalok »

For those in the USA - if you never tried brunost (brown cheese) - look at specialty cheeses of a larger grocery chain (Whole Foods, Safeway, …) - it’s called “Ski Queen” here, and is sold as a perfect cube in red/brown plastic pack.

It’s very delicious.

I was ecstatic when I found it quite a few years ago in a regular store. A Norwegian friend of mine used to send me a brick of this cheese once a year for Christmas, when I was a student, and I treasured it as one of the most valuable possessions :)

Also, fun fact - the reason this cheese tastes sweet is due to caramelization - the milk gets boiled for a long time (hours) to get the brown color and sweetness. So it’s completely natural, zero added sugar ;)

Re: Brunost: The Nynorsk Programming Language

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Post by ggsp »

skrebbel wrote: post #49

I understand "fast fart er 80" and it makes sense, but I think present tense "er" for mutable variables is super weird, and implies functional semantics in an imperative world. Like eg this: endreleg fart er 80 This is weird! It can change but it is 80? Was it already? Will it forever? Should that maybe be "blir" instead? (pardon my nonexisting Nynorsk, I'm extrapolanorsking from Danish "bliver") Eg: endrelig fart bl…

> extrapolanorsking

<3

Re: Brunost: The Nynorsk Programming Language

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Post by keybored »

vidarh wrote: post #56
keybored wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That the elite strata is prestigious according to History is tautological considering what History is.

Of course that is not at all what I wrote.

You said history. I thought you were referring to that empirical discipline.

What is prestigious is an empirical question.

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