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Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by ceejayoz »

quantummagic wrote: post #50
ceejayoz wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Trump went because... But in the end he went. The system worked exactly like it was supposed to. There is room to challenge results, that keeps the system honest. When he lost the challenges, he willingly stepped down. This is exactly how the system is designed to work. I understand the visceral hatred of Trump, but I don't know why every conversation about him has to degrade the same way this one has, with people…

> But in the end he went.

Sure. Again, so did Hitler.

He went because the alternative was being dragged out by the FBI and Secret Service like a toddler having a tantrum.

> I don't know why every conversation about him has to degrade the same way this one has

Maybe if your self-described information diet included a little news and electoral coverage you wouldn't be so flat-footed by it.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by hagbard_c »

crop_rotation wrote: post #32
Dig1t wrote: post #25

[flagged]

I have not read much about this issue, but I wonder if it is as serious as you are saying why are populations across Europe not voting against it, or they are voting but getting ignored by the rulers?

> or they are voting but getting ignored by the rulers?

That is what happened in at least:

- the Netherlands (votes for Wilders)

- Sweden (votes for SD)

- Germany (votes for AfD)

- France (votes for whatever that party is called nowadays)

- the UK (votes for Brexit largely based around migration issues)

- Belgium (votes for Vlaams Blok)

- Italy (votes for Meloni)

- Austria (votes for FPÖ)

...and I can go on. In most countries in Europe voters have spoken out against what they consider to be excessive asylum-based migration from non-Western cultures without requirements regarding assimilation or integration but not much has happened politically until very recently when the EU parliament voted to increase deportation efforts [1]. It remains to be seen whether this law will have any measurable impact given the fact that the EU actively supports many NGOs which aim to achieve the opposite of what the law states.

[1] https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/03/26/eu-parliament-...

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

#53

Post by salawat »

Symbiote wrote: post #38
comrade1234 wrote: post #35

Flagged due to sour grapes.

My guess is it's flagged by Americans (it's their daytime) who don't realize the significance of this result to the EU and potentially the EU's response to the war in Ukraine.

You know, I took a second look at it, and weirdly enough, I can't vouch it for some reason. That's odd. Grats to the good folks across the pond though! May we be so lucky when next our transition is scheduled!

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by salawat »

jacquesm wrote: post #34
lysace wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your perspective as afaik nowadays a Californian progressive: Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Yes, that's true. But there is enough about Magyar that I don't understand that I'm cautiously optimistic. Though it would be hard to imagine worse than Orban... JD Vance strikes again. I wonder how long it will take US politicians and assorted billionaires to realize that their 'endorsements' will backfire.

Shhhh. Don't correct your enemy while they are busy making mistakes. Just smile and wave.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by DamnInteresting »

salawat wrote: post #53
Symbiote wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is it's flagged by Americans (it's their daytime) who don't realize the significance of this result to the EU and potentially the EU's response to the war in Ukraine.

You know, I took a second look at it, and weirdly enough, I can't vouch it for some reason. That's odd . Grats to the good folks across the pond though! May we be so lucky when next our transition is scheduled!

> You know, I took a second look at it, and weirdly enough, I can't vouch it for some reason.

The 'vouch' option doesn't appear until/unless the post becomes [dead].

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by Jamesbeam »

I knew the projections were looking really grim for Orban after watching JD Vance putting Trump on speakerphone five days ago during his Hungary visit. That was awkward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUoCvIMrgc

They must be really tired of winning by now.

What? 4$ gas until November Mr.President? Who doesn’t love paying 30% more for Gas out of their pocket for a war that is already won. Tremendous work Mr. President. A capital V victory.

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by burnt-resistor »

Symbiote wrote: post #38
comrade1234 wrote: post #35

Flagged due to sour grapes.

My guess is it's flagged by Americans (it's their daytime) who don't realize the significance of this result to the EU and potentially the EU's response to the war in Ukraine.

Probably flagged by MAGA and pro-Kremlin aligned accounts who dislike the results and uppercase Liberal limousine establishment Democrats who try to censor every view they don't already agree with. If these were normal times, the I'd say keep sex, religion, and politics private except not the latter when liberal democratic politicians, speech-debate, and journalism are/were under fire in many sectors and countries. I'm hoping with this result that Hungary will experience much greater press and personal freedom.. and the corruption will hopefully be exposed more widely similar to Caolan Robertson only hinting at some of the extravagant emoluments and embezzlement. https://youtu.be/HiayCdysN04

Re: Viktor Orbán concedes defeat after 'painful' election result

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Post by surgical_fire »

Good. I visited Hungary years ago, and I loved the time I spent there. It saddened me a bit to see its sliding into autocracy and being relegated to be a Russian vassal state.

Hopefully the damage Orban caused to Hugarian institutions get reversed.

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