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Sam Altman's Coworkers Say He Can Barely Code and Misunderstands Basic Concepts

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Re: Sam Altman's Coworkers Say He Can Barely Code and Misunderstands Basic Concepts

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I’m old enough to remember that Sam Altman’s claim to fame before OpenAI, before running YC, was running a failed also-ran location-based whatever Web 2.0 scam startup thing that accomplished nothing and that no one remembers. His entire “career” is based on persuading people with money to give him more of it. The incentive structures are such that everyone sucks up to people in a position to give you a lot of money,…

In my experience, all wealth comes down to either (1) producing and using something yourself, or (2) convincing somebody else to give it to you. Most of us trade labor or goods for wealth, convincing others that our stuff is worth the wealth they give. If you want more wealth for your work, you need the other side to value it more. Better goods and labor are the obvious choice, but that's difficult. Better schmoozing…

This might be a little pedantic and certainly off topic, but Coke ads really aren't intended to convince you that you need one right now, they are intended to make sure they are the first drink you think of when you think of sodas. Everytime a waitress says "oh sorry will Pepsi be ok?" Coke ads have achieved their purpose even though they didn't sell any soda or change your preferences.

RC Cola exists right alongside Coca Cola, but has a marketing budget that is a tiny tiny fraction of Coke's, do you ever hear anyone ask for an RC Cola? Coke spends on marketing so they don't become RC Cola, not to convince you of anything.

Re: Sam Altman's Coworkers Say He Can Barely Code and Misunderstands Basic Concepts

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I don’t think Sam Altman has claimed to be a tech genius, and I don’t think he needs to be one for the role he’s in, CEO and engineer are not the same thing and require different skill sets. If people want to attack him, there are probably better vectors than this one.

The real question is - is he actually a good CEO? Has he done any better for the company than someone else would have? I think that’s the real unanswered question and stands quite apart from any ethical or character critiques.

Re: Sam Altman's Coworkers Say He Can Barely Code and Misunderstands Basic Concepts

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Neither did Steve Jobs and no one cared.

I think there's more nuance to it from what I can find on the internet.

Jobs definitely had knowledge about coding and other technical issues to do his job. Here's Eric Schmidt on this:

    He was exactly the same way he was at Apple: strongly opinionated, knew what he was doing. He was so passionate about object-oriented programming. He had this extraordinary depth. I have a PhD in this area, and he was so charismatic he could convince me of things I didn’t actually believe.

    I should tell you this story. We’re in a meeting at NeXT, before Steve went back to Apple. I’ve got my chief scientist. After the meeting, we leave and try to unravel the argument to figure out where Steve was wrong—because he was obviously wrong. And we couldn’t do it. We’re standing in the parking lot. He sees us from his office, and he comes back out to argue with us some more. It was over a technical issue involving Objective C, a computer language. Why he would care about this was beyond me. I’ve never seen that kind of passion.
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/magazine/eric-schmidt-on-steve-j...

(This comment has essentially been taken from reddit[0] @thirdxeye as I think that he summed it better than I could)

[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/34y49x/did_steve_job...

Re: Sam Altman's Coworkers Say He Can Barely Code and Misunderstands Basic Concepts

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post #44

It's interesting how often posts get flagged if there is any negativity towards a billionaire tech bro.

This isn't Reddit, go back to Reddit if you want to default every conversation as a billionaire that isn't redistributing wealth = bad.

Re: Sam Altman's Coworkers Say He Can Barely Code and Misunderstands Basic Concepts

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I don’t think Sam Altman has claimed to be a tech genius, and I don’t think he needs to be one for the role he’s in, CEO and engineer are not the same thing and require different skill sets. If people want to attack him, there are probably better vectors than this one. The real question is - is he actually a good CEO? Has he done any better for the company than someone else would have? I think that’s the real unanswe…

The definition of "good CEO" is too mercurial for that question to be answerable. A CEO can afford to make incredibly boneheaded decisions that others call genius, like Elizabeth Holmes or Sam Bankman-Fried did. Rushing to evaluate executive performance based on murky results or impressive transaction volume is how investors end up losing billions.

The title is indeed an obvious puff-piece, but it does reflect the general hatred towards America's professional liars. Maybe Sam has what it takes to be a great CEO, but posterity is already recording him as a dishonest sociopath and federal sycophant.

Re: Sam Altman's Coworkers Say He Can Barely Code and Misunderstands Basic Concepts

#57
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to start talking about people like this truthfully: they are sick. Fucked up. Broken. They do not deserve fame or fortune, they deserve a padded cell, close observation by psychologists and neurologists and try and figure out how we can stop it happening. Horribly manipulative Smaug-likes who only care for themselves, why must the rest of us be beholden to them? To be victims to the havoc they wreak? Why do w…

Nonconformists often wrankle, but sometimes they're the only ones who can get people to align to do something different.

Sam Altman is hardly a “non conformist”.

Re: Sam Altman's Coworkers Say He Can Barely Code and Misunderstands Basic Concepts

#58
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of Elon Musk. Grifting off of techno-futuro-optimism. Hyperloop, Boring tunnel, going to mars, self-driving cars, etc. Perhaps it's common to CEOs, lying/manipulating to people to create hype in order to convince them to give you money.

Sure, but Elon Musk had known engineering roles at various companies, and built a space company nobody, not even himself thought would succeed, into the most viable and affordable way to get things into space. Idk if I had to be stranded on an island with either Elon or Sam, I think I'd rather be stuck with Elon.

Honestly I’d just start swimming.

Re: Sam Altman's Coworkers Say He Can Barely Code and Misunderstands Basic Concepts

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I don’t think Sam Altman has claimed to be a tech genius, and I don’t think he needs to be one for the role he’s in, CEO and engineer are not the same thing and require different skill sets. If people want to attack him, there are probably better vectors than this one. The real question is - is he actually a good CEO? Has he done any better for the company than someone else would have? I think that’s the real unanswe…

The definition of "good CEO" is too mercurial for that question to be answerable. A CEO can afford to make incredibly boneheaded decisions that others call genius, like Elizabeth Holmes or Sam Bankman-Fried did. Rushing to evaluate executive performance based on murky results or impressive transaction volume is how investors end up losing billions. The title is indeed an obvious puff-piece, but it does reflect the ge…

Are you basically saying that all CEOs are equally useless so it’s a meaningless question? I sympathise with the cynicism but I don’t think that’s entirely true. I do think there’s some way of evaluating performance here, even if I don’t know exactly what it is.
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