> In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year Why not outsource this to a cheaper country? For example, here in Germany salaries are about half of that, and the talent pool is excellent.
Session is shutting down in 90 days
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#52I like the idea. But I’m pretty happy with Signal. Signal does require a phone number I think, but otherwise seems very similar. Grounding identity in a phone number is very reasonable for almost all normal usage. It makes recovery simple. It does block the ultra paranoid use cases though. Oh well.
signal is really crappy. It fails at the most basic feature which is : deliver the message on time.
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#53Never heard of them, and this page doesn't tell me what they do, but I've laughed at this line > In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year Not really, there's basically a single sub-market in the US market where that is the norm.
Interestingly I applied for one of their senior frontend positions that required a "high level of experience" in Australia, they said 120k AUD with no room to go higher. Went with an offer of 170k instead.
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#54> In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year Why not outsource this to a cheaper country? For example, here in Germany salaries are about half of that, and the talent pool is excellent.
Afaik Germany is one of the most expensive countries for employing white collar jobs? The gross income to the employee might be 75k in Germany, but the cost to the employer is roughly twice that amount in turn. In my (very naive) mental model, US salaries are higher, have less "overhead" for the employer, but leave more responsibility (healthcare, retirement) to the employee.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are based in Switzerland . 140k USD median dev salary
Interesting claim, where do you gather that data? The quick results I got where from a 2024 report on TheNextWeb claiming its around 90k USD equivalent in Switzerland https://thenextweb.com/news/european-cities-highest-salaries...
I also had a contract in Switzerland for a brief, beautiful moment and in 2020 it was not weird to have an hourly rate exceeding 90CHF/h in this role.
Permanent employees were making anywhere in the range of 100-130k CHF, so the 140k USD figure is close adjusted for inflation.
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#56I'd love to know where the $600k that Vitalik Buterin donated to them 3 short months ago went. I don't think they've adequately addressed this question.
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#57> In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year Why not outsource this to a cheaper country? For example, here in Germany salaries are about half of that, and the talent pool is excellent.
Afaik Germany is one of the most expensive countries for employing white collar jobs? The gross income to the employee might be 75k in Germany, but the cost to the employer is roughly twice that amount in turn. In my (very naive) mental model, US salaries are higher, have less "overhead" for the employer, but leave more responsibility (healthcare, retirement) to the employee.
Unfortunately this time, AI does not have vacations, healthcare, retirement or bills to pay and is available 24/7, 365 days on demand.
Many companies only see this as an opportunity to cut down on employees in 2026 and Session will do the same.
So that is why to answer your question:
> ...Germany is one of the most expensive countries for employing white collar jobs?
The main reason why the downsizing will continue until "AGI" is achieved internally.
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#59Never heard of them, and this page doesn't tell me what they do, but I've laughed at this line > In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year Not really, there's basically a single sub-market in the US market where that is the norm.
That salary is not unheard of at all in London. Especially when you convert £ to $.
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#60> In most markets Senior developers often command salaries exceeding $150,000 USD per year, and on top of this there are legal and operational overheads for running the STF. Translation: Our product makes no money, has no use case and we need $1M to survive. Two ways a PE "cost saver" would fix this: 1. Claude + 1x senior engineer (in India). 2. CTO + Claude and no senior engineers / employees. Given we have (alleged…