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Could be part time
Or full time. In some countries, those are pretty decent salaries. I earn €50k in one of the poorer European countries and that puts me in the top ~8%.
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Their lead developer is paid $72k/yr, and mobile developer $49k/yr. I'm not sure what to think, but that's definitely interesting. I wonder what chess.com is paying their engineers.
Can you explain what is interesting in those salaries?
A huge difference between just for fun and money oriented products.
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Lichess is a non profit from France (like it’s author) and those salaries quite normal for France.
No it is not. Yes it could be for your average everyday developer but if someone can run site with millions of active users alone, there is no difference in salary based on where the developer stays. Does Mistral pays $100k salary to researchers?
It’s a *non* profit so I think it’s perfectly normal that he pays himself that. It’s a good salary which lets him live normal comfortable life.
Mistral is *for* profit.
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Magnus "drives meaningful outcomes" because he's really good at chess and members of the public enjoy watching him play, so various chess-related businesses will pay him money for sponsorship. How do you propose to "not allow him" that influence? Ban all use of people's names in marketing and products?
My commentary goes above and beyond just Magnus. Re: Magnus. Sponsorships are fine. Him making money is fine. He shouldn't be able to dictate the rules of the game or the platforms by which it is played. IMO. He's not the first person to be "really good at chess". It's a broad statement meant to mean "celebrities have too big of a platform and too much influence over the average joe".
Magnus doesn't "dictate the rules of the game or the platforms by which it is played", so I'm not sure what your point is.
You think Magnus should be forced to participate in chess events he doesn't enjoy / doesn't like the format of? Or you think organizations like FIDE or chess.com should be blocked from trying to entice Magnus to participate in their events?
Please be more specific and concrete.
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#55Well... some people buy debrid subscription for 3 USD/month on the high seas...
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No it is not. Yes it could be for your average everyday developer but if someone can run site with millions of active users alone, there is no difference in salary based on where the developer stays. Does Mistral pays $100k salary to researchers?
It’s a *non* profit so I think it’s perfectly normal that he pays himself that. It’s a good salary which lets him live normal comfortable life. Mistral is *for* profit.
Just because someone is running non profit they are expected to take 10% of their deserved salary?
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It’s a *non* profit so I think it’s perfectly normal that he pays himself that. It’s a good salary which lets him live normal comfortable life. Mistral is *for* profit.
Just because someone is running non profit they are expected to take 10% of their deserved salary?
People working in non profits typically earn less, yes. In general, salary is not a function of how praiseworthy or important or even hard the work is. People who work for non profits have pay cut, because basically they are willing to be paid less in exchange of doing something they see as meaningful.
(Excluding purely "money washing for local mafia and politicians" non profits.)
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s a *non* profit so I think it’s perfectly normal that he pays himself that. It’s a good salary which lets him live normal comfortable life. Mistral is *for* profit.
Just because someone is running non profit they are expected to take 10% of their deserved salary?
Dude, Lichess is entirely funded by donations. There's only so much money to go around.
And Thibault iirc is the kind of person that's not terribly interested in earning lots of money. Of he wanted to, I'm sure he could make bajillions elsewhere in tech, because he's that good. But he apparently prefers to only work for a "measly" upper middle class salary and doing something he's really passionate about. And I thank him for it, because lichess is awesome.
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#59Huge respect to Lichess. Open source, no ads, super clean interface and super functional website. Chess.com is a pain to use compared to it. All their finances are also public: https://lichess.org/costs
It's truly phenomenal. Even my diamond platinum extreme chess.com subscription (or however the third-best tier of a dozen or so is called) has much less functionality than Lichess's only tier.
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However a french chess streamer I follow had an interesting take: since Lichess is all free, all the content is computer generated, or low quality. Apparently, some content even was just stolen content from other paid platforms. His take is basically that Chess.com gives out money to many chess actors (teachers, coaches, book writers) while lichess is not helping the whole ecosystem make money. Anyways competition is good.
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#60Lichess is incredibly well optimized [0] (and an amazing public service). I'm sure that this is very cost effective for TTT, so a win-win. [0] https://lichess.org/@/revoof/blog/optimizing-the-tablebase-s...
Lichess is written in Scala and is hosted on dedicated OVH for a very significantly small amount of money (I think just a few thousand dollars per month) and hosts so many millions of players and games. It's an understatement how well optimized they are right down to the optimization techniques that they use and the infra providers that they use. The same thing even in something like AWS could cause significantly mor…
Such service should be using anycast based globally distributed server cluster for lowest latency to their user.
OVH does not have that many availability zones or regions either
Saving money is a good thing but QOS also matters.