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Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by glhaynes »

akdev1l wrote: post #44
kugelblitz wrote: post #38

I use bunny.net for CDN and DNS. I don't like free offerings, because what if they decide to charge someday? What if someone decides "free is not feasible, we start charging $20 per instance now". I'd rather have a low fee now, a change from $2 to $3 is more likely and that's fine for me. But from free to not free is risky for me. I also like smaller, independent-ish ompanies that actually care about developers. That…

>I don't like free offerings, because what if they decide to charge someday? What if someone decides "free is not feasible, we start charging $20 per instance now". You can just move to another provider at that point. At least when it comes to CDN and DNS there’s literally no vendor lock-in. You can grab your dns records export them to csv and import somewhere else easily and a CDN is just a file server so you can ju…

Can anyone say why this is being downvoted? Seems like it makes sense to me, but this isn't my area of expertise.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by Sammi »

Manchitsanan wrote: post #46

I'm currently running a SaaS on Cloudflare Workers + Pages. The developer experience is genuinely good, deploying serverless functions and static sites from the same repo has been seamless. But I hit a real issue recently: CDN edge caching served stale HTML after a deploy, and the service worker cached the bad response. Took a CDN purge from the dashboard to fix. The debugging experience when things go wrong at the e…

Yeah ran into that too, and found someone else that wrote a script for it, so we're not alone: https://bash.cyberciti.biz/web-server/linuxunix-bash-shell-s...

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by nixosbestos »

glhaynes wrote: post #51
akdev1l wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't like free offerings, because what if they decide to charge someday? What if someone decides "free is not feasible, we start charging $20 per instance now". You can just move to another provider at that point. At least when it comes to CDN and DNS there’s literally no vendor lock-in. You can grab your dns records export them to csv and import somewhere else easily and a CDN is just a file server so you can ju…

Can anyone say why this is being downvoted? Seems like it makes sense to me, but this isn't my area of expertise.

I used to handwave cloud portability. Turns out when you're shipping things and need extra services and you have deadlines, you build against the platform. I think the GP comment was probably expressing wariness of the free cloudflare tier that entices you to build against their APIs and their product shape in a way that inevitably locks you in. Sure, you could migrate, but that's expensive.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

#54

Post by Lihh27 »

FryHigh wrote: post #15

I had to move to Bunny.net after Cloudflare disabled my homepage following a malicious report, despite me being a paying customer for several years. I also never received a response to my appeal. I’ve now been with Bunny.net for over a year and have been very happy with the service.

heh one bad report gets action. years as a paying customer get you silence. ugly asymmetry.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by aeden »

mawalu wrote: post #49
evolve2k wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should add a friend has recommended DNsimple.com and I’ve previously found their service to be excellent. https://dnsimple.com/ 50 cents per domain per month 10 cents per million queries That’s prob cheap enough to support lots of little hobby sites and bigger traffic sites likely have some budget.

I used them in the past (many years ago) and was very surprised when my DNS was affected by a cloudflare outage. Turns out (back then) they relied on the cf network for DoS protection against their resolvers[1]. I was surprised to learn that and honestly thought that if I already take a dependency on cloudflare I might as well have them host my zones directly for free. [1] Not completely sure but I think this was the…

At one point we were using Cloudflare's DNS Firewall product for our entire edge network. We have since moved half of our edge network to our own infrastructure and are currently in the process of expanding our edge network further, so at this point an outage at Cloudflare should be at least partially mitigated for our customers due to our separate edge network, and eventually it should be completely independent.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by glhaynes »

nixosbestos wrote: post #53
glhaynes wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone say why this is being downvoted? Seems like it makes sense to me, but this isn't my area of expertise.

I used to handwave cloud portability. Turns out when you're shipping things and need extra services and you have deadlines, you build against the platform. I think the GP comment was probably expressing wariness of the free cloudflare tier that entices you to build against their APIs and their product shape in a way that inevitably locks you in. Sure, you could migrate, but that's expensive.

Yeah, good point. For a little hobbyist site of no importance, I'm not too worried about vendor lock-in, but that calculus changes as it gets more important.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by Etheryte »

glhaynes wrote: post #51
akdev1l wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't like free offerings, because what if they decide to charge someday? What if someone decides "free is not feasible, we start charging $20 per instance now". You can just move to another provider at that point. At least when it comes to CDN and DNS there’s literally no vendor lock-in. You can grab your dns records export them to csv and import somewhere else easily and a CDN is just a file server so you can ju…

Can anyone say why this is being downvoted? Seems like it makes sense to me, but this isn't my area of expertise.

Predictability matters. The whole point of paying someone else to handle a problem for you is that you don't have to worry about it. If you go all in on a provider and then suddenly find out that you've been switched to a paid plan in the middle of your vacation, that's not a place anyone wants to be. Saying there's no lock-in is nice, but that overlooks the fact that there most definitely is friction. What if there's no mass export? No mass import? Or you need to reset 2FA? Or etc, there's a thousand things that can shoot you in the foot, especially if you have a lot of services you need to migrate.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by ossa-ma »

Manchitsanan wrote: post #46

I'm currently running a SaaS on Cloudflare Workers + Pages. The developer experience is genuinely good, deploying serverless functions and static sites from the same repo has been seamless. But I hit a real issue recently: CDN edge caching served stale HTML after a deploy, and the service worker cached the bad response. Took a CDN purge from the dashboard to fix. The debugging experience when things go wrong at the e…

Cloudflare's biggest benefit is the wrangler cli which when paired with claude code means that you can completely handoff setup/debugging/analysis.

Some of you may be skeptical about this but it allows for much easier management when working on multiple SaaS/hobby projects/personal tools.

Re: Dropping Cloudflare for Bunny.net

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Post by samlinnfer »

I do have a question, is it even possible to have a CDN set up where they don't MITM and strip your TLS and re-encrypt or are we just picking which jurisdiction gets to inspect your traffic?

edit: I'm thinking of the use case where the CDN as a proxy for APIs and uncachable content as well, where it used as a reverse proxy for transit/ddos protection.

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