Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 500 posts

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#51

Post by drob518 »

pc86 wrote: post #46
Molitor5901 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really good point. I'm surprised the box office cannot print it for him for a fee at Will Call, which might be the solution here.

No, it's not. If you are physically incapable of operating a piece of technology, the ADA covers reasonable accommodations for that. If you are simply unwilling to learn how to use a piece of technology, it doesn't and shouldn't cover that. Being a luddite is not a protected class.

So, everyone needs to have $500 to be able to purchase a smartphone, otherwise they can’t participate in society?

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#52

Post by crazygringo »

From my quick research online, it seems they've gone digital-only for season tickets because they don't want people just reselling them to turn a profit. They want actual season-long fans, so now if you transfer too many games they can track it and ban you. This is essentially anti-scalping. There's a legit justification.

You can still buy paper tickets at the stadium for a single game. But not for season passes anymore.

Apparently they've been making exceptions for him in years past where he was able to pay hundreds of dollars to have them custom printed for him. And this year they've decided to no longer provide that exception.

Honestly, this doesn't seem unreasonable to me. At some point, you have to cut off previous technologies because virtually everyone's moved to something better. You also can't buy tickets any more by snail mail with an enclosed check.

If this guy has the money for a season pass (!) he has the money for a smartphone. It seems like he just likes the nostalgia of paper tickets. But that's not a reason to add a separate ticketing flow just for him any more, like they had been up till now.

https://www.aol.com/articles/81-old-lifelong-dodgers-fan-012...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dodgers/comments/1s5fkni/la_dodgers...

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#53

Post by raincole »

andrewla wrote: post #43
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is it doesn't have to be life. We can make things so that you don't need a smartphone, but we choose not to. That's a choice, not some immutable reality of the universe.

Can we make things so that you don't need a smartphone? I don't think this is as trivial as you're making it out to be. Having a non-exfiltratable bearer token is really really hard. In order to present a zero-knowledge proof of the possession of a token you need to have some sort of challenge-response protocol. The simplest one, and the one in most common use (such as this) is a time-based method, where the shared k…

Yet, somehow Major League had been selling tickets just fine for more than a century without smartphones.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#54

Post by BonoboIO »

drob518 wrote: post #51
pc86 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not. If you are physically incapable of operating a piece of technology, the ADA covers reasonable accommodations for that. If you are simply unwilling to learn how to use a piece of technology, it doesn't and shouldn't cover that. Being a luddite is not a protected class.

So, everyone needs to have $500 to be able to purchase a smartphone, otherwise they can’t participate in society?

There are 50$ smart phones that could do that …

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#55

Post by pc86 »

drob518 wrote: post #51
pc86 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not. If you are physically incapable of operating a piece of technology, the ADA covers reasonable accommodations for that. If you are simply unwilling to learn how to use a piece of technology, it doesn't and shouldn't cover that. Being a luddite is not a protected class.

So, everyone needs to have $500 to be able to purchase a smartphone, otherwise they can’t participate in society?

I was referring specifically to the idea that the Americans with Disabilities Act should cover people who simply choose not to utilize or learn a particular piece of technology which has been around for the better part of two decades.

The "poor people don't belong in society?!?" trope is completely different (and kind of boring).

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#56

Post by raverbashing »

drob518 wrote: post #51
pc86 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not. If you are physically incapable of operating a piece of technology, the ADA covers reasonable accommodations for that. If you are simply unwilling to learn how to use a piece of technology, it doesn't and shouldn't cover that. Being a luddite is not a protected class.

So, everyone needs to have $500 to be able to purchase a smartphone, otherwise they can’t participate in society?

lol not everyone wants/needs an iPhone

And yes. People need to get on with the times.

In the same way people "need" a power connection in their house. And water plumbing. And used to need a phone line to "participate in society"

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#57

Post by pc86 »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #50
pc86 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not. If you are physically incapable of operating a piece of technology, the ADA covers reasonable accommodations for that. If you are simply unwilling to learn how to use a piece of technology, it doesn't and shouldn't cover that. Being a luddite is not a protected class.

I agree with your assertion, but it made me think of a question. Are Amish and Mennonites religiously protected luddites?

For sure, but I don't know how much of their luddite-ness (ludditude?) is simply a byproduct of their faith or vice versa :)

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#58

Post by harrisoned »

afarah1 wrote: post #35

In Brazil you already can't access some government services without a smartphone, such as paying for municipal parking in various cities. So if you own a car but not a smartphone, you get a fine. Sadly the least of the country's problems.

There should be more noise about this here, but to whoever you talk about that issue they don't seem to grasp the situation, or simply don't care, and call you crazy/paranoid. I have been told you also need the GOV app for certain things related to companies.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#59

Post by EvanAnderson »

BonoboIO wrote: post #54
drob518 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, everyone needs to have $500 to be able to purchase a smartphone, otherwise they can’t participate in society?

There are 50$ smart phones that could do that …

There's more "cost" to an 81 y/o person picking up their first smartphone than just the money they'll be spending.

Re: 81yo Dodgers fan can no longer get tickets because he doesn't have a smartphone

#60

Post by pc86 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #59
BonoboIO wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 50$ smart phones that could do that …

There's more "cost" to an 81 y/o person picking up their first smartphone than just the money they'll be spending.

Well context is important and this was in directly response to the (spurious strawman) claim that if you can't spend $500 on a phone then you are excluded from society.
Post reply on HN