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Jobs everyone thinks are easy and nobody likes the people who do it.
Why would people not like artists?
Rampant anti-intellectualism and machismo
In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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It's still 10s of millions of people who could be given a job (and some hope and purpose too btw) Edit: btw I agree there's more to life than work. But when you're unemployed and hoping for work, competing against robots and LLMs is quite crushing.
I don't know what's more crushing, not having a job, or knowing deep-down that there is a machine that can trivially do your job. If I was made to lamp street lamps 5 years after incandescent street lights were invented, while not working on any way forward, I'd probably fall into a deep existential crisis.
Indeed. My first job was in a factory doing things that we had machines to do, but not enough of them or efficient enough. I spent the whole time dreaming of automating the factory properly.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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1. There is only so much you can pay the people doing the kind of work like cleaning the Shinkansens or manning the 7-11's because it affects customer costs. i.e. There's a point where you increase the salary of 7-11 workers that it causes a $2 fried chicken snack to inflate to $10 that customers will refuse to buy 2. Even if there was magically enough money and time to retrain people, they would still be short of wo…
Out of curiosity, what percentage of a fried chicken snack's final cost do you think is labor from that 7-11 worker?
Probably quite a lot, 20% of the marginal cost or so? Maybe the truck driver has a bigger share, but they're a very similar case.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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Why would the retirees want to be put back to work? Why would the students want to have to do two full-time tasks at once? Why would the homemakers want to add another full-time task? Why would the people with cancer want to have to work from their hospital bed? There's more to life than work. Get a hobby! Hope and purpose doesn't have to come from menial labor.
Money, money, money, and money. We need it to survive. Until people's basic needs are taken care of for them, they need to do what they can to live.
Why not simply pay the homemakers? Why is it so important that everyone produce economic output at the widget factory?
Allow me to translate into a language you can understand: The people who are all “unemployed” are actually performing valuable services like maintaining the future labor pool, learning how to become skilled workers, and so on. These people should not have a second job, they should be paid for the valuable services they’re providing.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#55The job no one wants? Grunting out 2.6 babies before you’re 35. Who’s paying for your nursing home? Tax the robot’s income? Will your demographic replacements vote for that?
> Grunting out 2.6 babies before you’re 35.
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Someone called this a "belief."
There's a 10% to 4% probability that the average teenage girl will die from childbirth, given the cumulative risk of pregnancies in nations without modern medicine.
That's the default state of the human condition. Maternal mortality is frequent and 1 in 25 to 1 in 10 for women without modern medical interventions.
see: The probability that a 15 year old girl eventually dies from a pregnancy-related cause, assuming constant levels of maternal mortality and number of births per woman. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/lifetime-risk-of-maternal...
There's a reason why the more women become aware of the risks and downsides of pregnancy – the less likely they are to go through with it. Even when indoctrinated from the start. The only sane solution in an otherwise insane world is technological, external gestation / exowombs.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
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In case you think 18% is Japan's unemployment rate: it's not. Japan's unemployment rate is 2.5%. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.TOTL.ZS?location... This is basically the best in the world. https://www.oecd.org/en/data/insights/statistical-releases/2... Not sure what rate OP is citing, but it's not the one I'd use to draw OP's conclusion. You don't wanna YOLO understanding how employment rates are calcula…
Correct. I was using labor participation rates. As a society gets depressed and has a hard time people stop trying (ie they no longer count as unemployed, which doesnt count the people who are no longer trying to get a job). Similar to how as police systems fail, people stop reporting things assuming nothing meaningful will happen anyways. And then there's less reports of crime, so magically "crime is down" -- high f…
I think that fudging the numbers to bolster your pet theory is not an acceptable way of looking at this data.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's still 10s of millions of people who could be given a job (and some hope and purpose too btw) Edit: btw I agree there's more to life than work. But when you're unemployed and hoping for work, competing against robots and LLMs is quite crushing.
I don't know what's more crushing, not having a job, or knowing deep-down that there is a machine that can trivially do your job. If I was made to lamp street lamps 5 years after incandescent street lights were invented, while not working on any way forward, I'd probably fall into a deep existential crisis.
I agree with aspects of what you mean. But there are exceptions on both sides.
Ofc people dont want to become human fax machines (Morse decoders) nowadays, it would feel absurd.
But also if a role allows someone to feel satisfaction in accomplishment and in being an active member of a society it can be meaningful. For example tidying up streets/yards in low income neighborhoods can make the place look much better and you can feel like you're serving folks who are in need.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#58Japan is in a demographic decline. They need all the robots they can get.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#59just like nobody in the US is qualified to work in tech so companies have to outsource jobs?
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
In case you think 18% is Japan's unemployment rate: it's not. Japan's unemployment rate is 2.5%. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.TOTL.ZS?location... This is basically the best in the world. https://www.oecd.org/en/data/insights/statistical-releases/2... Not sure what rate OP is citing, but it's not the one I'd use to draw OP's conclusion. You don't wanna YOLO understanding how employment rates are calcula…
> You don't wanna YOLO understanding how employment rates are calculated. You're way better off YOLO'ing reading the documentation about how they are calculated than listening to the myriad pundits deliberately trying to mislead people and drive conspiracy theories. This is all documented on the websites of the various statistical agencies, and you can just read their docs .
Yes, I agree. The person I'm replying to knows only enough about employment rates to have bad conspiracy takes.