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Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

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Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

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Having spent some time kicking around the Delphi space I got quite into WPF in 2007ish. By 2010 I had not just sworn off it, I'd sworn off Windows entirely. The constant stream of rug-pulls as one bit of MS managed to pull off a political heist over another and - oh no - yet another "latest and greatest" technology was effectively deprecated within 18 months of launch, invalidating all the effort you put in to stayin…

At the same time VB still works and runs, so they don't always rug pull.

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

#53

Given how bad windows has become since windows 7, I’ve been wondering. Does Bill Gates still use Windows? Does he put up with the horribleness?

I think Bill pretty much chilled out since he stepped down?

He's mostly been hanging with Epstein and asking for people to buy him STD medication due to his endless trysts

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

#54

> Dead silence. One person suggested WPF. Another said WinUI 3. A third asked if they should just use Electron. The meeting went sideways and we never did answer the question. > That silence is the story. These LLMs are just awful at writing.

Yes they really do a great job at mimicking awful human writing of that horrendous style, whatever it's called. Post-TED NPR style bougie blogging let's say.

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Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

#55

This barely mentions Windows Forms, which is the cleanest and fastest way to code Windows GUI apps. A few years ago, I wanted to prototype something quick and I wrote it in Windows Forms over C# (all code, no visual editor).

>This barely mentions Windows Forms

Apparently, you do too, since what you said is basically the same as what the article said (.NET wrapper for C#, fastest prototyping to date)

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

#56

Given how bad windows has become since windows 7, I’ve been wondering. Does Bill Gates still use Windows? Does he put up with the horribleness?

I think Bill pretty much chilled out since he stepped down?

He’s still around as a part time advisor, he has to officially step back or no one would take Satya seriously, but on important stuff like AI he is a bit more active.

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

#57

Given how bad windows has become since windows 7, I’ve been wondering. Does Bill Gates still use Windows? Does he put up with the horribleness?

I think Bill pretty much chilled out since he stepped down?

I just looked into this a bit because I thought he still had some kind of role at Microsoft even after leaving as CEO/chairman, but it turns out that in 2020 he left any and all positions at Microsoft as it was investigating him over inappropriate sexual relationships he had with Microsoft employees.

Before that he had a role as a technical advisor and sat on the board of directors.

I also found it interesting that Steve Ballmer owns considerably more of Microsoft than Bill Gates (4% for Steve Ballmer while Bill Gates owns less than 1%).

Re: Microsoft hasn't had a coherent GUI strategy since Petzold

#58

Having spent some time kicking around the Delphi space I got quite into WPF in 2007ish. By 2010 I had not just sworn off it, I'd sworn off Windows entirely. The constant stream of rug-pulls as one bit of MS managed to pull off a political heist over another and - oh no - yet another "latest and greatest" technology was effectively deprecated within 18 months of launch, invalidating all the effort you put in to stayin…

If I'm writing Windows desktop GUIs I still stick to WPF. Might be Stockholm syndrome but I quite like it. I don't see the reason to use any of the new ms ui frameworks. Especially if ms themselves don't even really use them. As far as I know visual studio is still a WPF project so I'm not super worried about it no longer working.

That’s not so bad. I still stick to win32
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