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A brief history of instant coffee

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Re: A brief history of instant coffee

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The good news is that boiling water is not functionally necessary since the extraction was done up front. I drink it cold or with warm water. Boiling is hotter than I want to drink anyway. If there's significant scale at the bottom it's possible it's making your kettle materially less efficient. If you put in like a cup of vinegar and a cup of water (you could probably dilute it more than that), heat it up and swish…

I found that 160F to 180F is enough for instant coffee, depending on personal taste and what you feel like at that moment. I have an electric kettle that has a several buttons for different temperatures, and heating only to 180F saves time over heating to boiling, plus I can drink it right away.

Yep, all the instant coffee jars I’ve seen have a note to use hot but NOT boiling water. And I’ve noticed that using too hot water can even spoil the taste a bit.

I usually turn off the kettle when the noise starts noticeably changing. This usually is something between 70-80℃.

Re: A brief history of instant coffee

#52
post #22

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You can also simply keep water near boiling.

All the time? That's very inefficient, especially when running your boiler outside heating season and without a vacuum flask. The actual solution is to boil small quantities of water. I can boil one cup in 90 seconds or so, even with the 120v handicap.

Or boil a larger quantity and fill it into a thermos. Perfectly fine for instant coffee throughout the day. (And without the coffee stains in the thermos.)

Re: A brief history of instant coffee

#53
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For real instant: install a hot water tap. It has a small boiler under the sink that keeps the water at near boiling. I've got one and it's great - instant tea any time.

I considered this when I rebuilt my kitchen last year but the price was obscene - starting at $1600 AUD installed. I bought one of these for $79 instead and I’ve been perfectly happy with it. https://www.kmart.com.au/product/digital-hot-water-dispenser...

Mine was about $1500NZD. That didn't seem like a big outlay when redoing the whole kitchen for nearly $60k.

Re: A brief history of instant coffee

#54
post #26

> which is why spray drying remains the dominant method I don't think I've ever seen spray-dried. Even the cheap supermarket instant coffee is mostly freeze-dried in the UK I believe. You can really see the power of marketing at play in instant coffee. A lot of 'premium' branded instant coffee is ~£42/kg. That's £3/kg more than my premium, locally-roasted, single-estate Colombian coffee beans. If you have more money…

> A lot of 'premium' branded instant coffee is ~£42/kg. That's £3/kg more than my premium, locally-roasted, single-estate Colombian coffee beans. That weight comparison doesn't make sense. How many cups of coffee do you get from your beans versus the instant? I just checked the jar I have here for my lazy weekends, it's ~2g per cup of coffee (rounding up, it's a bit under 200g and it makes about 100 cups). So a kg of…

Doh, of course! I do consider instant about 10x less enjoyable though so I do I think the comparison holds on one level

Re: A brief history of instant coffee

#55
post #3

it's never instant because boiling water takes sooooo longgggg. apparently uk teakettles are faster due to voltage differences? i want to look for a usb-c solution sometime

Most people boil too much water. Get a kettle that can take a smaller amount of water and then boil what you need. If that’s not good enough, you can get a kettle that keeps water warm and then you don’t need so much energy to boil it (or figure out a routine or trick to turn the kettle on earlier, eg a teasmade). If you want to throw money at the problem USB-C is not the answer (how does that even make sense??) but you could (a) get a 240V socket (eg NEMA 6-15) in your US kitchen and rewire a 15A 240V European kettle to the appropriate plug. Or get an impulse labs induction hob set. Their whole selling point is using batteries to be able to put more power into boiling water than they can get from the wall.

Re: A brief history of instant coffee

#57
post #45

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The 7-10 times seems quite off. It’s pretty close to 5 times assuming common extraction yields about 20%. So instead of brewing 16g of coffee you could dissolve 3.2g of instant.

For what it's worth I just checked my store brand instant, and the serving suggestion is 1.9 grams.

All depends on the concentration you are trying to achieve. If you brew 16g of coffee, you'd usually end up with around 260g of finished brew.

Re: A brief history of instant coffee

#58
post #43
post #3

it's never instant because boiling water takes sooooo longgggg. apparently uk teakettles are faster due to voltage differences? i want to look for a usb-c solution sometime

I just made a cup of tea, here in the States[1], using science (which means I wrote it down). I started with 300ml of water that I measured at 68.5F. I dumped that into the Sunbeam Hot Shot[2] "hot water dispenser" that lives on my countertop (which is labeled as using 1450 Watts). I pushed the go button and started a clock. It took 1 minute, 29 seconds to reach what I considered to be a rolling boil. That's pretty g…

I was thinking about this more.

A cup of tea is a bit less than 3 cents. The cost of water from the tap isn't enough to be worth calculating (and in a world of shortages, I live in a region where we have too much water). Heating is about 1/4 of the total cost, which is significant.

But that leaves me with a dirty cup that eventually needs to be washed.

So how much does it cost to clean the cup?

Starting with my kitchen faucet that had been doing nothing for hours, I started a clock and turned on the hot water and measured the volume that came out before it became warm-enough-to-wash-some-stuff. It took about 18 seconds and 1.6l to get to right about 110f, which my fingers determined to be "warm enough". The incoming water temperature is 58f right now. (The water heater is a recently-installed resistive unit.)

Raising the temperature of this 1.6l of water cost me almost exactly 1 cent, and that's all waste energy -- that's what it takes to get the process started.

Then I have to wash the cup. I didn't work through that, but I've done it enough that I can estimate that it takes me about 20 seconds total to scrub tea stains from a coffee cup and make it white again if I'm in a hurry about it. No big deal, time-wise.

But because I'm focused on washing the cup more than I am on conserving energy, I usually let the water run while I wash up the cup. That's another 20 seconds of running the hot tap (for 38 seconds total), adding another 1.13 cents (or 2.13 cents total).

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So that's our minimum: 2.13 cents, just to heat the water to wash the cup with 38 seconds of running it. Maybe, some days.

But realistically, it's likely more than that. I've measured incoming water temperature to be as low as 38f here[1]. The water heater itself is set to 140f, and as a practical matter when I wash a single coffee cup I generally use 100% hot water.

In that worst case, it's more like 4.23 cents to wash a cup. (Again, if I'm hurrying. I don't always hurry.)

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So the total cost of a single cup of tea, for me, is somewhere in the realm of between 5 and 7 cents. Heating the water is by far the biggest contribution to that cost.

And merely washing the cup by hand is a significant cost contribution at one end of the scale, and is the largest contribution at the other end.

That's surprising to me. These numbers still don't matter much (how many cups of tea do I drink in a month? or in a year? how often do I actually wash that cup?), but it's surprising enough that I think I'll start using the dishwasher for these things.

The dishwasher is a bit cheaper, and a lot lazier.

[1]: I'm not redoing worst-case for making the tea itself, because the water for tea-making comes from a large countertop water filter that connects to the kitchen faucet. The contents are generally always near room temperature, at the behest of the ambient environment that is controlled by a gas forced air furnace or aircon. I'm not getting that far into the weeds. :)

Re: A brief history of instant coffee

#59
post #24

"I am very happy despite the rats, the rain, the mud, the draughts, the roar of the cannon and the scream of shells. It takes only a minute to light my little oil heater and make some George Washington Coffee . . . Every night I offer up a special petition to the health and well-being of Mr. Washington." Is my favorite part of the article lol

i read it in Don Draper's voice

Re: A brief history of instant coffee

#60
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For real instant: install a hot water tap. It has a small boiler under the sink that keeps the water at near boiling. I've got one and it's great - instant tea any time.

I considered this when I rebuilt my kitchen last year but the price was obscene - starting at $1600 AUD installed. I bought one of these for $79 instead and I’ve been perfectly happy with it. https://www.kmart.com.au/product/digital-hot-water-dispenser...

K-Mart? The dream of the 90s lives on in the land down under apparently...
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