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Artemis II will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps

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Re: Artemis II will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps

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> "will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps..."

> "will be used to beam 4K moon footage at up to 260 Mbps."

> "Data rates of 260 Mbps can be achieved..."

I wonder what size stream will be available to us. The largest I see in general is 70-90 Mbps for a 4k Bluray Remux and that includes lossless audio. I imagine they would want as much data as possible—significantly more than would be visible to the human eye.

Re: Artemis II will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don’t think budget cuts prevented the camera operator from panning up at the right time…

> panning up at the right time… I've watched hours of athlete parents try to track their athlete kid and it's marginally useful at best. Lots of shaky cam even at Pop Warner football speeds. So panning at the right time, with the muscle control to keep the object centered, is harder than you think. If they have a professional videographer on staff working that camera it almost certainly would have never happened. Elo…

SpaceX coverage is much better! lol This is such nonsense. How much does a professional videographer cost? It's a rounding error given what they spend. It's just bad planning and decision-making. This is a damn mission to the moon, not little league baseball, why would you ever compare the two?

Re: Artemis II will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps

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NASA's rendering of the flyby: https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a005500/a005536/a2_fly... Hope we get to see something like this in 4K !

Is that real-time or sped up? This video is about 1 minute. How much real time does it correspond to?

Artemis II is expected to be behind the moon for about 30-40 minutes. Around half-way in the video you can see Earth pass behind the moon in about 1-2 seconds. So yes, it's sped up considerably by a factor of around 2000x

Re: Artemis II will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps

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Hopefully, the footage is better than the missed pan up at lift-off, and showing spectators at the time of booster separation. I understand funding cuts and all, but this is a once-in-a-generation moment and it’s filmed with no apparent effort whatsoever.

The camera and simulation footage were a bit of a letdown and something SpaceX does much better. On the other hand NASA launches do evoke a feeling of substance over form where science takes precedence over presentation. For that money however I concur - I expected more. Especially the simulation footage where the lack of brightness made it hard to see the vehicle - they might as well have used KSP for it

Even SpaceX is only okay with their broadcasts. They normalized showing very little data and spending the whole time with talking heads that don't say anything.

Go look what the livestream was like for the Mars Curiosity rover, it was fantastic, and that was on a mission taking place 8 minutes away. Their simulation was mostly Demo data for some parts of the mission, but included such things as what part of the control program it was in! It was even a good rendering. I screenshotted it for a desktop background.

But the camera quality is so low and I don't get it.

It seems like the entire industry has just ignored the lessons of old: "Get someone who does this for a living". They should have connections and partnerships with movie companies who actually know how to run cameras. That shouldn't be expensive nowadays, as that knowledge seems to be cheap enough for Youtube creators.

Re: Artemis II will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A more accurate claim would be: never-before-seen in real-time at that fidelity from lunar distance.

Real time has to be about the most useless factor here. I don’t care if it’s a year delayed, it’s not like I was going to head up there myself.

>...it’s not like I was going to head up there myself.

You're never going to be able to IPO your space startup with that attitude.

Re: Artemis II will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps

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post #2

Hopefully, the footage is better than the missed pan up at lift-off, and showing spectators at the time of booster separation. I understand funding cuts and all, but this is a once-in-a-generation moment and it’s filmed with no apparent effort whatsoever.

They had 4000 people cut in 2025 and big budget cut in 2026.

Maybe that included the camera crews and equipment.

Re: Artemis II will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps

#57
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a “you have one job” kind of thing for shooting liftoff (no matter what quality of equipment is on hand): rocket goes up, tilt camera up. Bonus: Try to match the speed of the tilt with the speed of the rocket in the frame.

They did that with the Apollo 17 LEM lift-off https://www.redsharknews.com/technology-computing/item/2742-...

We can send a man to the moon, but we can’t have HD footage of the man going to the moon.

/s but not really

Re: Artemis II will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps

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post #10

How does laser communication work with a moving object with 9DoF?!

Apparently with a gimbal and some fast-moving mirrors. https://www.ll.mit.edu/news/lincoln-laboratory-laser-communi...

It also helps that laser beams diverge. By the time it gets back to Earth, the diameter of the beam from Artemis is probably several hundred meters, if not several kilometres. Their aim still needs to be fairly precise, but they're not trying to hit a lens with a beam that's still the width of a pencil. They really just need to paint the neighbourhood that NASA's sensors are located in.
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