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Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

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Re: Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

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Uh oh. I just brought a pixel 6a from Swappa, was hoping to use a different os. Not arrived yet though.

sometimes the option to unlock the bootloader doesn't work until you connect the device to internet. not sure if the original person who posted tried that. this might be a non issue.

OP here. I did try connecting to the internet on both devices I got my hands on, but the bootloader remained locked.

Re: Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

#52
post #36

In the context of an online marketplace "Unlocked" means "Not carrier locked". This has _nothing_ to do with the bootloader.

Maybe. But Swappa confirmed it meant bootloader unlock

I wonder if the person you talked to actually knew what they were talking about. Swappa explains what an unlocked device means in their FAQ and a bootloader is not mentioned.

https://swappa.com/faq/answer/unlocked-device

Re: Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

#53
post #36

In the context of an online marketplace "Unlocked" means "Not carrier locked". This has _nothing_ to do with the bootloader.

If it's not a carrier locked device, what would be the reason for it not to be OEM unlockable once connected to the Internet? This is not about the device being logged into an existing user account, that would trigger FRP which is something different.

Re: Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

#54
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forget. What are the security implications of having your car play your music again?

Pretty sure Jeep was hacked via their infotainment system and remotely driven (by researcher Charlie Miller) So it’s actually kind of a real thing

I'm pretty sure that the infotainment hack was completely orthogonal to whether it was Beethoven, Iron Maiden, or blissful silence.

Having said that, a successful car infotainment system attack on android auto or apple carplay could, of course, compromise your phone.

So it's up to you whether you decide to cope with that possibility by breaking the law and navigating with a handheld device, or simply declining to do banking on your phone, since successful car exploits mean the attack surface against your phone is much larger than you might presume.

Re: Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

#55

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Imagine a supermarket telling you "sorry, it's not feasible to check the expiration dates on all of our products".

That essentially is the case. Grocery stores make a best effort to remove expired foods but you can often find expired food on the shelf in the US. Go make a stink about it at the customer service desk and they will probably say exactly that.

They… will not say that, because they get a large fine if you report them. Every store I've been too has been deeply apologetic when this has happened (a small handful of times in my entire life).

Re: Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

#56
post #5

> we are unfortunately not able to guarantee bootloader unlocking, as it is not feasible for us to search through thousands of devices in order to find one that is Ohhhh, is that how it works? Maybe I should try that next time. Instead of selling broken hardware as "NOT TESTED, AS IS, PARTS MACHINE" I should sell them as "100% working!" and when someone asks, I'll tell them "sorry, it's not feasible to search through…

Imagine a supermarket telling you "sorry, it's not feasible to check the expiration dates on all of our products".

I think where the analogy falls apart isn't whether or not there may be expired products on the shelves, it's whether or not the store will make a reasonable effort to make it right and either refund your money or replace the product with one that's known to be good. Most will.

Source: I ditched the techpocalypse at the end of 2024 and now happily work at a grocery store.

Re: Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That essentially is the case. Grocery stores make a best effort to remove expired foods but you can often find expired food on the shelf in the US. Go make a stink about it at the customer service desk and they will probably say exactly that.

They… will not say that, because they get a large fine if you report them. Every store I've been too has been deeply apologetic when this has happened (a small handful of times in my entire life).

Outside of a few states and a few product types (baby formula), they won't be fined. But yes, customer service usually swaps it out.

Re: Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a supermarket telling you "sorry, it's not feasible to check the expiration dates on all of our products".

I feel like supermarkets more or less do tell you this--I get expired crap all the time if I don't check myself.

Of course, you can do your own due diligence at the supermarket before you part with the cash.

Re: Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

#59
post #36

In the context of an online marketplace "Unlocked" means "Not carrier locked". This has _nothing_ to do with the bootloader.

Is there a difference there for a Pixel? I thought those bootloaders have always been unlockable (after carrier unlocking, which should be possible after the contract is paid off).

Re: Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices – Stay Away

#60
post #36

In the context of an online marketplace "Unlocked" means "Not carrier locked". This has _nothing_ to do with the bootloader.

Well, it has something to do with it. In the context of Pixels, carrier‐unlocked phones always allow the bootloader to be unlocked, Verizon‐locked phones never do (see, e.g., https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24254-no-way-to-use-my-veri...), and for other carriers it varies but often requires additional manual fiddling. To quote the GrapheneOS FAQ:

> Devices sold in partnership with specific carriers may be locked by the carrier, which will prevent installing GrapheneOS. This is primarily an issue with US carriers and isn't common elsewhere in the world. To avoid this, either don't buy a carrier device, or make sure it can be unlocked.

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