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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by verdverm »

bee_rider wrote: post #38
verdverm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps in the dead man zone, not sure this would work well where there is civilian population.

I haven’t heard “dead man zone” (although I don’t really engage much with military stuff so maybe it is just an expression I’m not familiar with). I think “no man’s land” is a pretty popular and similar expression. Out of curiosity, did you translate “dead man zone” from another language? I just find it interesting because it seems conceptually similar but much bleaker, so if it comes from, like, French or German or…

> I haven’t heard “dead man zone”

It's the space between trenches. I've been watching a WW1 chronological documentary where they use it, but it's also been said in various ways, as you say.

Said playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB2vhKMBjSxOb_127vxja...

Time Ghost makes awesome chrono documentaries for the major wars. And a ton of mini series on special topics.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day?

Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game?

In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose.

If you think about, we moved human one-on-one battles to MMA and combat sport, this allowed channeling individual human aggression in a controlled environment. The future war might be not very different, swarm of drones fighting other swarm of drones while others watching on the news, who can build, manage and deploy smarter and more effective drones. If one side economy collapses and their manufacturing collapse, then what is left? they could easily kill the people, but other nations won't allow it, so it will stop at economical defeat.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by roughly »

Ifkaluva wrote: post #26
mrhottakes wrote: post #19

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I had a car hold its position for 6 months during the pandemic. It became occupied by rats, which was fun to deal with. They gathered some apples from a nearby tree, and apparently had set up a hard cider production facility.

One of my favorite fun facts is that it’s nearly impossible to get a hamster drunk - their foraging method is to get, eg, grains and fruits and store them piled up underground in their burrow, where they of course ferment, so hamsters’ livers have become unreasonably good at metabolizing alcohol.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by neonstatic »

aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

> abstract it away and play video game?

What happens when one side wins? In the real world, they actually win. In the video game, nothing happens

> In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively

In other words, in the near future it might work the exact way it has always worked.

> they could easily kill the people, but other nations won't allow it, so it will stop at economical defeat.

Your ideas are based on the idea of winning in a closed-system game. War is waged by people. Some people actually want the other people to die.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aleksiy123 »

bee_rider wrote: post #38
verdverm wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps in the dead man zone, not sure this would work well where there is civilian population.

I haven’t heard “dead man zone” (although I don’t really engage much with military stuff so maybe it is just an expression I’m not familiar with). I think “no man’s land” is a pretty popular and similar expression. Out of curiosity, did you translate “dead man zone” from another language? I just find it interesting because it seems conceptually similar but much bleaker, so if it comes from, like, French or German or…

It seems like there could actually be a difference between them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man_zone - is related to bush fires but seems like it could apply to a battlefield?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_man%27s_land

Something more akin to actually being in "measure" or strike distance vs just contested territory in between?

Edit: Sibling comment I think clears it up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_zone

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by chasil »

dmos62 wrote: post #25

Someone here said "[Russian] tactical units", "smoke grenades". They must be joking. A drone like this is defending against 2-3 50-year-olds without military experience wading through a bombed out tree-line into almost certain death, because there are literal firing squads waiting if they don't. With a huge round like 12.7, all you have to do is fire pot shots in the general vicinity while drone pilots do the rest. A…

Can we name them The Dinochrome Brigade?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo:_Annals_of_the_Dinochrome...

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by [deleted] »

aleksiy123 wrote: post #56
bee_rider wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t heard “dead man zone” (although I don’t really engage much with military stuff so maybe it is just an expression I’m not familiar with). I think “no man’s land” is a pretty popular and similar expression. Out of curiosity, did you translate “dead man zone” from another language? I just find it interesting because it seems conceptually similar but much bleaker, so if it comes from, like, French or German or…

It seems like there could actually be a difference between them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man_zone - is related to bush fires but seems like it could apply to a battlefield? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_man%27s_land Something more akin to actually being in "measure" or strike distance vs just contested territory in between? Edit: Sibling comment I think clears it up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_zo…

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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by alephnerd »

aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

> In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively

This has been the assumption for over a decade now.

> those who can't produce any more drones, lose

Already the norm. Even the Taliban has been operating a drone mass production program for a couple years now [0][1].

> If one side economy collapses and their manufacturing collapse, then what is left? they could easily kill the people, but other nations won't allow it, so it will stop at economical defeat

This abstraction of warfare isn't as peaceful as you make it out to be. Operationally, you still need to take out dual use infra which in a number of cases is civilian in nature.

The reality is, countries have increasingly accepted that civilian casualties will occur and it doesn't matter because they don't impact tactical goals.

[0] - https://www.themiddleeastuncovered.com/p/inside-the-talibans...

[1] - https://thekhorasandiary.com/en/2026/03/13/taliban-strengthe...

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by xeonmc »

aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

So like the old League of Legends lore before their Institute of War retcon?
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