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EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by andy_xor_andrew »

> x402 is an open, neutral standard for Internet-native payments. It lets anyone on the Internet easily charge, and any client pay on-demand, on a pay-per-use basis. A client, such as an agent, sends a HTTP request and receives a HTTP 402 Payment Required status code. In response, the client pays for access on-demand, and the server can let the client through to the requested content.

Fascinating. Cloudflare is envisioning a future where agents are given debit cards by their owners, so they can autonomously send microtransactions to website owners to scrape content or possibly purchase goods on the owner's behalf. I don't know how I feel about that but there's no doubt it's a fascinating concept.

Brb, setting up a honeypot that always responds with HTTP 402 Payment Required demanding 10cents per visit... That's the next "selling 1 million pixels on my website for $1 each", I guess

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by _verandaguy »

echelon wrote: post #10
kocialnews wrote: post #4

The power of WordPress is not the ease of use, but PHP. Anything built on PHP will be widely used, like Laravel

All PHP is going to be replaced with single binary Rust apps. Talented teams will build the atoms for most apps - blogs, CMSes, ticket systems, forums - and it'll be easy for end users to configure. Rust is easy to code gen and deploy now. No barrier to understanding lifetimes. It's the language everyone should be using Claude Code to emit. Everyone is now a Rust engineer with 10 years of experience. (I'm not joking,…

These april fools jokes keep getting lazier every year.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by MattieTK »

spankalee wrote: post #50

It's a shame they don't seem to try to address the divide between CMS's and static sites. Most WordPress sites could just be static, but WordPress has a nice editor interface, so they're not - unless you use a SSG plugin. Building that into the core workflow (which I believe Astro supports) and giving users a nice hosted editor that produces a static site would be welcome innovation.

EmDash with some aggressive caching and SWR is effectively this, and we're getting closer to that every day. When the cost of maintaining the data part of the CMS is effectively free, you're basically working with a static site anyway.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by bigbuppo »

quantummagic wrote: post #16
rvz wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not an April fools joke. [0] [0] https://github.com/emdash-cms/emdash

That makes it look more like an April fools joke. All the commits are from today.

The best jokes are serious.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by skybrian »

ramesh31 wrote: post #29

I really hope Cloudflare is ready and willing to stand by this thing for the next 20 years, and drive it as a first class product with a huge open source team. Because short of that you can just add this to the mile-long list of "successors to WordPress" we've been through over the decades. Maybe they're in it for the long haul. We'll see. But it takes time, and mountains of integrations and acceptance into the wider…

One thing that makes it different this time is that coding agents will probably make it easy to port the most important plugins to the new system.

Also, there are successful alternatives to Wordpress too, so the most likely outcome is that it becomes yet another alternative.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by sourcecodeplz »

This part is interesting:

"Plugin security is the root of this problem. Marketplace businesses provide trust when parties otherwise cannot easily trust each other. In the case of the WordPress marketplace, the plugin security risk is so large and probable that many of your customers can only reasonably trust your plugin via the marketplace. But in order to be part of the marketplace your code must be licensed in a way that forces you to give it away for free everywhere other than that marketplace. You are locked in."

There was much drama with wordpress some time ago and the plugin marketplace.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by calvinmorrison »

8organicbits wrote: post #27

I don't think it's the code that makes WordPress valuable. I've been learning WordPress recently and haven't been too impressed with the internals. WordPress is valuable because of the ecosystem and support. I have no doubt that WordPress will still be a thing in ten years. What's the support plan for EmDash? I see commits are mostly from a single developer. E: Oh, I think it's an April fools joke, I'm embarrassed. E…

wordpress is valuable because it allows very bad developers / marketing people to write very bad code and get away with it, driving extremely low cost solutions for clients who are cost concious.

yes you want a global db handle sure ya lets delete all tables woohoo

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by RobotToaster »

spankalee wrote: post #50

It's a shame they don't seem to try to address the divide between CMS's and static sites. Most WordPress sites could just be static, but WordPress has a nice editor interface, so they're not - unless you use a SSG plugin. Building that into the core workflow (which I believe Astro supports) and giving users a nice hosted editor that produces a static site would be welcome innovation.

The issue with static sites is they can't do comments.

Re: EmDash – A spiritual successor to WordPress that solves plugin security

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Post by andrepd »

embedding-shape wrote: post #7

> Our name for this new CMS is EmDash. We think of it as the spiritual successor to WordPress. It’s written entirely in TypeScript. It is serverless, but you can run it on your own hardware or any platform you choose. Plugins are securely sandboxed and can run in their own isolate, via Dynamic Workers, solving the fundamental security problem with the WordPress plugin architecture. And under the hood, EmDash is power…

Reading this paragraph I was genuinely convinced it was an April 1st thing.
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