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Re: The Document Foundation ejects its core developers

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Haha, imagine it Apache would merge LibreOffice back to OpenOffice, and developers also switched. Would be the circle of the decade. On a different note, this industry used to have so much more fun - just solving puzzles to herd bits - before it was flooded by politics.

> On a different note, this industry used to have so much more fun - just solving puzzles to herd bits - before it was flooded by politics. when was that, in the 80s?

1880s?

Not even then...

Re: The Document Foundation ejects its core developers

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OK here's my understanding: - LibreOfficeOnLine (LOOL) was created within The Document Foundation (TDF) but largely developed by Collabora. It was source only and suggested users pay a company to host for them. - Some within TDF wanted to offer LOOL as a binary offering. - Collabora moved their contributions to Collabora Online, which they controlled. - LOOL was archived. - More recently, LOOL was revived - Collabora…

Collabora was unhappy about the LOOL revival, but not enough to leave. It was only when TDF contrived reasons to expel Collabora people that Collabora decided to leave. (Full Disclosure: I am one of the Collabora people expelled)

So what were the contrived reasons? I navigated getting coolwsd built before, but never quite got my user management layer for Nextcloud perfected to the point of going live... I thought it was a good piece of kit, but was a little bit skeptical of the branding divergence at the time. Something about it kinda just felt like drama waiting to happen. Was that it do you think? Or something else. Will keep an eye on the project regardless.

Re: The Document Foundation ejects its core developers

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This exactly sums up my read of this. I have no idea what is going on but it appears to impact a thing I use in my nextcloud so I should possibly care, but damned if I have any idea what is going on here.

I think you meant OnlyOffice(?) it seems like there is also some turbulence and you will soon be migrated to a fork(?) https://alternativeto.net/news/2026/4/onlyoffice-ends-its-pa...

> required branding, logos

I'm no lawyer but I don't think the AGPL says you must use the same branding in a fork, in fact most hard forks tend to prefer changing it in my experience, as the original branding might be trademarked and so they can't legally use it themselves without permission, and/or they just want to distance themselves further from the parent.

Re: The Document Foundation ejects its core developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly sums up my read of this. I have no idea what is going on but it appears to impact a thing I use in my nextcloud so I should possibly care, but damned if I have any idea what is going on here.

I think you meant OnlyOffice(?) it seems like there is also some turbulence and you will soon be migrated to a fork(?) https://alternativeto.net/news/2026/4/onlyoffice-ends-its-pa...

It's called CODE in nextcloud which stands for Collabra Online Development Edition and it is integrated in nextcloud. It isbfor sure a thing. Don't try to confuse me more lol.

Re: The Document Foundation ejects its core developers

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Collabora was unhappy about the LOOL revival, but not enough to leave. It was only when TDF contrived reasons to expel Collabora people that Collabora decided to leave. (Full Disclosure: I am one of the Collabora people expelled)

So what were the contrived reasons? I navigated getting coolwsd built before, but never quite got my user management layer for Nextcloud perfected to the point of going live... I thought it was a good piece of kit, but was a little bit skeptical of the branding divergence at the time. Something about it kinda just felt like drama waiting to happen. Was that it do you think? Or something else. Will keep an eye on the…

TDF cites a lawsuit between TDF and Collabora, causing all Collabora employees being removed from the TDF board (not community). Which makes sense.

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/04/01/comment-...

Re: The Document Foundation ejects its core developers

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I'm sorry it's confusing, perhaps an attempt to add humor to a bleak and dramatic change in the LibreOffice project has made it less than clear. The bald facts are fairly simple: The Document Foundation, now ~controlled by its non-programmer staff just ejected its main core code contributors based on complicated and apparently contrived reasons. Lots of non-profits get bogged down in pointless in-fighting that eats a…

What are the complicated apparently contrived reasons? It's not at all clear from the article. All I really got from the article is "collabora are banned from contributing to open office, and aren't happy about it". What reason did they give? What's the actual reason you think it is (you mention things are contrived, so I assume there's another reason you think)? What's the libre office online stuff got to do with it…

Collabora is not banned from contributions. It's banned from the board, because of a lawsuit between those two.

What the lawsuit is about would be interesting.

Re: The Document Foundation ejects its core developers

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post #56
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what were the contrived reasons? I navigated getting coolwsd built before, but never quite got my user management layer for Nextcloud perfected to the point of going live... I thought it was a good piece of kit, but was a little bit skeptical of the branding divergence at the time. Something about it kinda just felt like drama waiting to happen. Was that it do you think? Or something else. Will keep an eye on the…

TDF cites a lawsuit between TDF and Collabora, causing all Collabora employees being removed from the TDF board (not community). Which makes sense. https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/04/01/comment-...

"...being removed from the TDF board"

Not from the board, (implies board of directors), but from TDF membership (board of trustees). This essentially means you have no voting power and no benefits, but you're still free to still contribute by fixing bugs, adding new features, mentoring, code review,... ("community"). This are all the things that would benefit TDF by getting more money from donations (and then use that money for useful things that are mentioned in this TDF blog post).

Re: The Document Foundation ejects its core developers

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Collabora was unhappy about the LOOL revival, but not enough to leave. It was only when TDF contrived reasons to expel Collabora people that Collabora decided to leave. (Full Disclosure: I am one of the Collabora people expelled)

Oh shit, I’m so sorry Noel. That’s awful!

Please do read TDF's side of the story as well: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/04/01/comment-...
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