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High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Re: High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Post by jacques_chester »

srlake wrote: post #49
jacques_chester wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like I said: there is no quality control.

There is no quality control at regular, commercial gyms either. I used to work out at a popular commercial gym and would see trainers doing the most ridiculous things with their clients: swimmers press on a bosu ball for a average 45 year old non-athlete, all kinds of pointless machine circuits. Coming from a competitive sports background and year of training, my injury rate has actually gone down after joining cross…

> I used to work out at a popular commercial gym and would see trainers doing the most ridiculous things with their clients: swimmers press on a bosu ball for a average 45 year old non-athlete, all kinds of pointless machine circuits.

Which brings us neatly to my second point, which was injuries/Kwh.

Most commercial gyms don't perform exercise selection; it's done by trainers who generally focus on stuff that seems difficult and exotic because that's what brings in the business. The gyms themselves select insurance-friendly machinery.

While Crossfit gets people up off their backsides to do actual work, there's a lot of flat out stupidity mixed in with the legit stuff.

High rep Oly movements? Dumb.

High rep box jumps? Dumb.

Kipping pullups? Let's not go into that here.

Mix in the fact that a bosu ball pushup, while stupid, is less likely to cause a bulged disc than say deadlifting 65% of your DL 1RM for max reps; and suddenly we again find the quality control thing swinging back into central view.

Re: High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Post by jrockway »

michael_michael wrote: post #22
jrockway wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True of everyone, it's called white coat hypertension: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_coat_hypertension After my doctor noticed high-ish blood pressure, I bought a meter and started measuring at home. Always below 120/80, sometimes below 110/75. I brought the same meter to the doctor's office and measured 135/85. Strange, isn't it?

Not true of _everyone_, but definitely true of some (including me). Additionally, white coat hypertension is not entirely benign. From the wikipedia article you link: "In general, individuals with white coat hypertension have lower morbidity than patients with sustained hypertension, but higher morbidity than the clinically normotensive."

In general, individuals with white coat hypertension have lower morbidity than patients with sustained hypertension, but higher morbidity than the clinically normotensive.

There goes my plan to live forever. Foiled again!

Re: High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Post by bromang »

srlake wrote: post #17

+1 for exercise and healthy eating. One of the many reasons we pay for our employees gym memberships. If you really want to get in shape and turn your health around, find your local Crossfit (www.crossfit.com) gym and get hooked.

...or just get a normal gym membership, save yourself money and not get injured by bizarre exercise selection.

Re: High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Post by givan »

What do you think of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptical_trainer to stay fit and avoid this thing of problems?

I don't like losing time going to the gym and this machine seems to train a large number of muscle groups and could be a good gym substitute to maintain health.

Re: High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Post by tocomment »

Lost_BiomedE wrote: post #45
tocomment wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a certain product you buy for the garlic? What dosage?

It was Kyolic 100. I was taking one a day but the bottle says 2.

Hmm, I was reading that the aging process makes it lose the active ingredient? But it still seemed to work really well for you?

Re: High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Post by carbocation »

tptacek wrote: post #23

I would like a credible dismissive comment to be at the top of this thread now please, because otherwise this is very bad news.

This is consistent with parallel data from lipid research. To wit, some people have low cholesterol due to medication. This reduces their risk of MI by X%, say 40%. Other people have the same level of cholesterol due to genetic effects. From the statin trials, we would think this would correlate with a similar risk reduction. Instead, those with a genetic basis for low cholesterol appear to be protected even more than one would anticipate.

This effect has been attributed to the lifelong exposure to low cholesterol levels. This is not a closed, certain conclusion, but it is supported by the data.

The parallel would be that lifelong exposure to high blood pressure leads to changes over time and produces accumulating harmful effects. The notion is reasonable on its face.

Re: High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Post by carbocation »

tptacek wrote: post #24
revelation wrote: post #10

My body likes to shoot up my blood pressure far off the charts whenever someone tries to measure it. Of course, the pattern only grows stronger from these experiences.

Same, but my doctor just samples it a couple times during the visit and it eventually leaves crazytown.

Fun fact: if your pressure is getting measured less than 5 minutes after you enter the seated, relaxed position, it's likely to be bogusly elevated even if you don't have white coat hypertension.

Re: High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Post by [deleted] »

a_bonobo wrote: post #41
tptacek wrote: post #23

I would like a credible dismissive comment to be at the top of this thread now please, because otherwise this is very bad news.

Best medical journal (Lancet), proper sample-size (579), from first glance it looks OK! From their discussion there are some caveats: - mostly white people checked (so if you're Asian, this might not happen) - MRI has a known bias towards participation of healthy people, as unhealthy people don't like to hear the "news" about their condition - the study is "cross-sectional", i.e., the MRI is just from one point in ti…

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Re: High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Post by carbocation »

a_bonobo wrote: post #41
tptacek wrote: post #23

I would like a credible dismissive comment to be at the top of this thread now please, because otherwise this is very bad news.

Best medical journal (Lancet), proper sample-size (579), from first glance it looks OK! From their discussion there are some caveats: - mostly white people checked (so if you're Asian, this might not happen) - MRI has a known bias towards participation of healthy people, as unhealthy people don't like to hear the "news" about their condition - the study is "cross-sectional", i.e., the MRI is just from one point in ti…

Great comment. Only tweak is that it's Lancet Neurology. Cool that it's done in the Framingham study.

Re: High blood pressure damages brain long before old age

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Post by [deleted] »

a_bonobo wrote: post #41
tptacek wrote: post #23

I would like a credible dismissive comment to be at the top of this thread now please, because otherwise this is very bad news.

Best medical journal (Lancet), proper sample-size (579), from first glance it looks OK! From their discussion there are some caveats: - mostly white people checked (so if you're Asian, this might not happen) - MRI has a known bias towards participation of healthy people, as unhealthy people don't like to hear the "news" about their condition - the study is "cross-sectional", i.e., the MRI is just from one point in ti…

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