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Re: Iran says it will target US tech companies in Middle East

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Post by alephnerd »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #46
alephnerd wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> G42 G42 isn't American - it's Emirati. But it doesn't matter. Iran is only burning additional bridges with it's neighbors which has only incentivized them to take a much more hardline stance against the Islamic Republic. The fact that they alienated Qatar last week is truly mindboggling though - it was QatarEnergy that was subsidizing NOIC and Qataris with clan ties in Iran like Saad al Kaabi who were some of the b…

Did Iran really have allies in Arab Sunni ruled countries though? Pretty much all of them already see non-Arab Shia Iran as an enemy, and have for a long time. The only real mystery is how the region hasn't imploded already with all the historical tension between these countries.

> Did Iran really have allies in Arab Sunni ruled countries though

Yes. Qatar due to Iran's support of the Thani family during the tumultuous 1990s [0] and the blockade [1], Sudan under Bashir [2] and now under the Army [3], Tunisia [4] due to ties with Ennadha, Algeria until 2025 [5] due to Morocco and Israel's close defense cooperation, and Kuwait due to economic and clan ties [6].

> Pretty much all of them already see non-Arab Shia Iran as an enemy

Only those states directly aligned with Saudi or the UAE (they are not the same team) view Iran with hostility becuase of Saudi Arabia and Iran's perennial rivalry over the MidEast.

[0] - https://www.danielpipes.org/6317/hamad-bin-jasim-bin-jabr-al...

[1] - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/6/25/iran-hassan-rouhani...

[2] - https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/166344/235_Bodansky.pdf

[3] - https://www.bic-rhr.com/research/new-old-player-town-sudan-i...

[4] - https://iramcenter.org/en/inside-the-complexity-of-iran-tuni...

[5] - https://nouvellerevuepolitique.fr/hichem-aboud-comment-alger...

[6] - https://web.archive.org/web/20220717062931/http://www.payvan...

Re: Iran says it will target US tech companies in Middle East

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

alephnerd wrote: post #51
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Iran really have allies in Arab Sunni ruled countries though? Pretty much all of them already see non-Arab Shia Iran as an enemy, and have for a long time. The only real mystery is how the region hasn't imploded already with all the historical tension between these countries.

> Did Iran really have allies in Arab Sunni ruled countries though Yes. Qatar due to Iran's support of the Thani family during the tumultuous 1990s [0] and the blockade [1], Sudan under Bashir [2] and now under the Army [3], Tunisia [4] due to ties with Ennadha, Algeria until 2025 [5] due to Morocco and Israel's close defense cooperation, and Kuwait due to economic and clan ties [6]. > Pretty much all of them already…

That is useful, thanks! Iran always seems like they have more enemies than friends, but I guess I overplayed the Shia/Sunni divide.

Re: Iran says it will target US tech companies in Middle East

#53

Post by alephnerd »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #52
alephnerd wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did Iran really have allies in Arab Sunni ruled countries though Yes. Qatar due to Iran's support of the Thani family during the tumultuous 1990s [0] and the blockade [1], Sudan under Bashir [2] and now under the Army [3], Tunisia [4] due to ties with Ennadha, Algeria until 2025 [5] due to Morocco and Israel's close defense cooperation, and Kuwait due to economic and clan ties [6]. > Pretty much all of them already…

That is useful, thanks! Iran always seems like they have more enemies than friends, but I guess I overplayed the Shia/Sunni divide.

> Iran always seems like they have more enemies than friends

Because the core of the Iranian Revolution is quite similar to Maoism [0] but also very interested in exporting the revolution abroad.

You have to remember that the Iranian Revolution only happened in 1979, and most of Iran's modern leadership were foot soldiers and even leadership during Iran's Cultural Revolution [1] in the 1980s (eg. Rouhani, Larijani, Aref, Arafi).

Imagine if China today was ruled by active Red Guard, or if the 1976 autocoup failed - that's Iran, but with a dose of Islamism.

> I guess I overplayed the Shia/Sunni divide.

Yep. In fact, a number of Sunni states saw contemporary attempts to mimic the Iranian Revolution such as in Saudi Arabia with the Kaaba Siege, the Afghan Revolution in 1979 which led to the Soviet Occupation, and the burning the US Embassy in Islamabad in 1979 [2].

[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47108706

[1] - https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A7...

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_U.S._embassy_burning_in_I...

Re: Iran says it will target US tech companies in Middle East

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Post by mullingitover »

alephnerd wrote: post #51
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Iran really have allies in Arab Sunni ruled countries though? Pretty much all of them already see non-Arab Shia Iran as an enemy, and have for a long time. The only real mystery is how the region hasn't imploded already with all the historical tension between these countries.

> Did Iran really have allies in Arab Sunni ruled countries though Yes. Qatar due to Iran's support of the Thani family during the tumultuous 1990s [0] and the blockade [1], Sudan under Bashir [2] and now under the Army [3], Tunisia [4] due to ties with Ennadha, Algeria until 2025 [5] due to Morocco and Israel's close defense cooperation, and Kuwait due to economic and clan ties [6]. > Pretty much all of them already…

> Yes. Qatar

Qatar, the country hosting the Al Udeid Air Base, the biggest US military base in the middle east? That Qatar?

Re: Iran says it will target US tech companies in Middle East

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Post by alephnerd »

mullingitover wrote: post #54
alephnerd wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did Iran really have allies in Arab Sunni ruled countries though Yes. Qatar due to Iran's support of the Thani family during the tumultuous 1990s [0] and the blockade [1], Sudan under Bashir [2] and now under the Army [3], Tunisia [4] due to ties with Ennadha, Algeria until 2025 [5] due to Morocco and Israel's close defense cooperation, and Kuwait due to economic and clan ties [6]. > Pretty much all of them already…

> Yes. Qatar Qatar, the country hosting the Al Udeid Air Base, the biggest US military base in the middle east? That Qatar?

The US only established Al Udeid in 1996.

Iran on the other hand protected the Thani family during the failed 1996 countercoup, as well as collaborated with Qatar on extracting LNG from the Gulf.

In the real world, countries compartamentalize relations and are not binary in nature.

This is how India can both arm Israel [0] as well as transit Hormuz with Iranian backing [1] and continue to operate Chabahar Port [2] despite neighboring Konarak Port being hit [3].

When countries break this norm of compartmentalization, that is when they become actively belligerent.

Also, by this logic (which is flawed), we would be justified in striking Iran, as Iran has aided and abetted Russia in their war against Ukraine, thus Iran can arguably be treated as another front of the larger US-Russia and by extension US-China conflict.

[0] - https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2024/6/26/india-expor...

[1] - https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-among-five-nati...

[2] - https://www.financialexpress.com/policy/economy/no-damage-to...

[3] - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxzzkkkwjqo

Re: Iran says it will target US tech companies in Middle East

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Post by mullingitover »

alephnerd wrote: post #55
mullingitover wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes. Qatar Qatar, the country hosting the Al Udeid Air Base, the biggest US military base in the middle east? That Qatar?

The US only established Al Udeid in 1996. Iran on the other hand protected the Thani family during the failed 1996 countercoup, as well as collaborated with Qatar on extracting LNG from the Gulf. In the real world, countries compartamentalize relations and are not binary in nature. This is how India can both arm Israel [0] as well as transit Hormuz with Iranian backing [1] and continue to operate Chabahar Port [2] de…

I realize Qatar is in an "it's complicated" relationship, it's just amusing to me that people feign shock that Iran would consider them fair game while omitting the detail of them kinda being a client state hosting a huge US military base.

Re: Iran says it will target US tech companies in Middle East

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Post by alephnerd »

mullingitover wrote: post #56
alephnerd wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US only established Al Udeid in 1996. Iran on the other hand protected the Thani family during the failed 1996 countercoup, as well as collaborated with Qatar on extracting LNG from the Gulf. In the real world, countries compartamentalize relations and are not binary in nature. This is how India can both arm Israel [0] as well as transit Hormuz with Iranian backing [1] and continue to operate Chabahar Port [2] de…

I realize Qatar is in an "it's complicated" relationship, it's just amusing to me that people feign shock that Iran would consider them fair game while omitting the detail of them kinda being a client state hosting a huge US military base.

The thing is, if we accept the norms that Qatar can be targeted for kinetic action by Iran for hosting US assets or by the US for hosting Iranian assets, then that opens a MASSIVE can of worms.

This means Ukraine has the precedent in place to target the Chongqing–Xinjiang–Europe railway in Russia in retaliation for Chinese support of Russia [0].

This also means all of Europe is fair game to be striked by Russia in retaliation for supporting Ukraine [2].

This also means South Korea considering rearming Ukraine [4] due to North Korean involvement in the Ukraine War could make it a direct belligerent against Russia.

This is why sentiments hardened globally and especially amongst Gulf States once they were targeted by Iran.

Accepting that nations like Qatar, Turkiye, and Azerbaijan that have an avowed policy of compartmentalized relations are fair game to strike means we have to accept we are in a de facto World War.

The attempted strike on Diego Garcia was similarly destabilizing in it's implications [5]

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chongqing%E2%80%93Xinjiang%E2%...

[1] - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/10/zelenskyy-warns-ru...

[2] - https://european-union.europa.eu/priorities-and-actions/eu-s...

[3] - https://apnews.com/article/trump-iran-saudi-arabia-mbs-gulf-...

[4] - https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/foreignaffairs/20260220/korea-m...

[5] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47469049

Re: Iran says it will target US tech companies in Middle East

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Post by spaghetdefects »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47
spaghetdefects wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's "terrorism" as much as it is self defense. The Haitian Slave Revolt and Indigenous American Pueblo Revolts come to mind as analogous military actions that produced positive results.

> don't think that's "terrorism" as much as it is self defense Everyone says this. If October 7 had limited itself to military targets, this would have been different. If current polling showed Gazans pushing for only military retaliation, I think things would be different. Everyone has the right to self defense. But everyone also gets judged by how they do it. > Haitian Slave Revolt Claimed territory with a plan for…

> This is a good analogy. I’ll have to read up on it more. To wit, however, they eventually accepted the new—awful, unfair and racist, I may add, but survivable and superior to the alternative of endless war—status quo.

Well the Spanish returned and ultimately subjugated them but it's considered the reason that the South West was able to retain its indigenous culture and language to a degree not seen elsewhere.

Mind you this was 1680, which kind of brings into perspective how barbaric the Zionists have been to essentially recreate one of the greatest crimes in human history hundreds of years later, with a supposed framework of human rights that had developed since then.

Re: Iran says it will target US tech companies in Middle East

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

alephnerd wrote: post #53
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is useful, thanks! Iran always seems like they have more enemies than friends, but I guess I overplayed the Shia/Sunni divide.

> Iran always seems like they have more enemies than friends Because the core of the Iranian Revolution is quite similar to Maoism [0] but also very interested in exporting the revolution abroad. You have to remember that the Iranian Revolution only happened in 1979, and most of Iran's modern leadership were foot soldiers and even leadership during Iran's Cultural Revolution [1] in the 1980s (eg. Rouhani, Larijani, A…

I took a Chinese course in Beijing with the son of an Iranian diplomat as a classmate and we did not gel, but frankly thats my only experience. The funny thing was that the guy was a huge womanizer/drinker, which I also hear is normal for Iran. Iranians actually seem quite liberal by Muslim standards (if it wasn't for the whole revolutionary guard/cleric leadership, again by my limited maybe outdated experience), which is weird when our side has the KSA, one of the most conservative countries on earth.

It is a pity really, Iran is on my bucket list for food, culture, and natural beauty. More so than any other country in that area, its too bad about the whole "death to America" thing.

Re: Iran says it will target US tech companies in Middle East

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Post by maxglute »

alephnerd wrote: post #57
mullingitover wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize Qatar is in an "it's complicated" relationship, it's just amusing to me that people feign shock that Iran would consider them fair game while omitting the detail of them kinda being a client state hosting a huge US military base.

The thing is, if we accept the norms that Qatar can be targeted for kinetic action by Iran for hosting US assets or by the US for hosting Iranian assets, then that opens a MASSIVE can of worms. This means Ukraine has the precedent in place to target the Chongqing–Xinjiang–Europe railway in Russia in retaliation for Chinese support of Russia [0]. This also means all of Europe is fair game to be striked by Russia in re…

There is no can of worms.

Hosting US assets actively being used in war vs Iran = being active co-belligerents. Host countries no longer neutral when they don't adhere to duty of abstention (Hague Convention V). This not even Iran using deniable proxies, this is Qatar allowing sovereign territory to facilitate attack on Iran, which unambiguously makes them legitimate target. Ditto with Diego Garcia.

In the same way railway in RU already legitimate target for UKR because in RU soil. If EU sending out sorties from NATO bases to hit RU then they too would be active belligerents. There's no compartmentalizing using territory to shoot someone else.

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