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OkCupid gave 3M dating-app photos to facial recognition firm, FTC says

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At this point, nearly every online service should be considered hostile. If they can make a small amount of money by compromising your privacy or your identity, they will. If they can make a small amount of money by stealing your attention and addicting you, they will. Are there exceptions? I'm sure. Will I be erring sometimes by being cautious? Definitely. But, there is really not much of an alternative these days.

I want to say "we structured the system like that, right?", i.e. maximize profit at all costs. But it seems to be the natural outcome of the incentives, of an organization made of organisms in an entropy-based simulation. i.e. the problem might be slightly deeper than an economic or political model. That being said, we might see something approximating post-scarcity economics in our lifetimes, which will be very inte…

> we might see something approximating post-scarcity economics in our lifetimes

Can you elaborate more on this? All I see is growing inequality.

Re: OkCupid gave 3M dating-app photos to facial recognition firm, FTC says

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Reminds me of another story when 23andme sold dna data https://www.npr.org/2025/06/30/nx-s1-5451398/23andme-sale-ap...

I remember warning everyone I knew that 23andme was about to go bankrupt and this would almost certainly mean all their data being sold to anyone they could.

I was dismissed. "The privacy policy doesn't allow it"

Peeps: privacy policies are not binding agreements, and even if they were, it always allows a corporation to sell your data.

Always.

No matter what it says today, because literally tomorrow they can change it to whatever they want.

Re: OkCupid gave 3M dating-app photos to facial recognition firm, FTC says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to say "we structured the system like that, right?", i.e. maximize profit at all costs. But it seems to be the natural outcome of the incentives, of an organization made of organisms in an entropy-based simulation. i.e. the problem might be slightly deeper than an economic or political model. That being said, we might see something approximating post-scarcity economics in our lifetimes, which will be very inte…

> we might see something approximating post-scarcity economics in our lifetimes Can you elaborate more on this? All I see is growing inequality.

The upper arm of the K shaped economy uses their capital to invent and control the replicator and the lower arm dies off? Seems like the most realistic path to "post-scarcity" from where we're standing now.

Re: OkCupid gave 3M dating-app photos to facial recognition firm, FTC says

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At this point, nearly every online service should be considered hostile. If they can make a small amount of money by compromising your privacy or your identity, they will. If they can make a small amount of money by stealing your attention and addicting you, they will. Are there exceptions? I'm sure. Will I be erring sometimes by being cautious? Definitely. But, there is really not much of an alternative these days.

This sort of stuff continues to ramp up as everyone rushes to train LLMs while governments are pushing for ID verification that would make it impossible to use the web (or even one's own computer) anonymously. It's a very dark time for anyone who cares whatsoever about privacy or digital sovereignty.

Re: OkCupid gave 3M dating-app photos to facial recognition firm, FTC says

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I suspect that instead of them "giving" the photos to the facial recognition firm they sold them. Those photos and the PII data associated with them are the only things of value that a site like OKCupid controls.

> But even if they had no “commercial agreement,” Zeiler [Clarifai CEO] told the Times that his company gained access to user photos because some of OkCupid’s founders invested in Clarifai. And > In September 2014, the CEO of Clarifai, Inc. e-mailed one of OkCupid’s founders requesting that Humor Rainbow give Clarifai, Inc. (i.e., the Data Recipient) access to large datasets of OkCupid photos. Despite not having any…

Lawyers: Besides whatever issue the company(ies) and investors might have with that behavior (self-dealing?), could it also let wronged individuals pierce the corporate veil, to go after personal assets?

Could this be the backstabbing surveillance capitalism incident that finally gives pause to tech executives?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have long wondered about the market size for privacy-focused apps. Sure, plenty of people don't know or don't care to value that, but if there are enough, maybe you could have a whole set of apps that emphasize they are not seeking world domination or selling out to the highest bidder, and a major selling point for using them would be that they are not . Am I too idealistic? If such apps are not aggressively seekin…

> I have long wondered about the market size for privacy-focused apps. The real problem is how to trust that a "privacy-focused" app is actually privacy-focused. You certainly can't take the publisher's word for it. The only safe stance is to withhold as much personal information from as much software and services as possible.

> The real problem is how to trust that a "privacy-focused" app is actually privacy-focused

I think the real problem is actually that legislative bodies will make privacy focused apps illegal. California AB 1043 is an example of what can happen.

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