Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

chalmovsky.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 259 posts

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

#51

Post by everdrive »

GeekyBear wrote: post #46
didgetmaster wrote: post #33

I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions. Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product. I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /

When a user mode application on the Mac doesn't just allow you to drag the app into the applications folder to install, it's a red huge red flag. Personally, I'd look for another alternative from a company that better understands the Mac. Chrome, for instance, previously used an installer that had to run with administrative permissions and famously ended up rendering systems unbootable. System utilities and drivers a…

>When a user mode application on the Mac doesn't just allow you to drag the app into the applications folder to install, it's a red huge red flag.

And the companies that make such products _never_ care about making sure an uninstallation is actually clean.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

#52

Post by Sarkie »

didgetmaster wrote: post #33

I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions. Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product. I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /

Thank you for such a great product

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

#53

Post by GeekyBear »

jeffreygoesto wrote: post #31
hombre_fatal wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When, Windows 3.1?

3.0 to server 2008 which makes that period 18 years.

Microsoft Office abandoned the normal Win32 UI conventions for the Ribbon interface before 2008.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

#54

Post by gwbas1c »

Years ago I shipped a MacOS product. If you deleted it, you would get an error emptying the recycle bin (or force-deleting the application bundle if you did an rm -R to it.)

Why? Well, at the time Windows Explorer had an API for extensions, but MacOS didn't for Finder. We needed to add some menu items to the context menu, which on MacOS required reverse engineering Finder and injecting code into it. This then meant that Finder had an open file handle into our application bundle until you either restarted Finder or restarted MacOS. Then, as long as you didn't start our application, you could cleanly delete it. (Thankfully MacOS cleaned this up with the Finder extension API about a decade ago.)

Having gotten familiar with internals of both Windows and MacOS... MacOS has its own set of gremlins too.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

#55

Post by josephcsible »

raincole wrote: post #16
malfist wrote: post #9

This type of writing is very grating on the nerves. It's not AI slop, but it feels the same way, where AI slop is trying to trick you into thinking every sentence is the pinnacle insight of human endeavor of all history, this writing stops every single sentence to say "Are you outraged? I'm outraged! You should be outraged! This is outrageous!" Especially when the outrage is that the user didn't follow instructions t…

The writing style has a name called ragebaiting. The gold: > Localization files for every language on Earth Yeah because English is the only one language that matters. Let's fuck up all the non-native speakers to save, I don't know, 50kb of text files? How could one frame this as a bad thing? > Help documentation with 40+ screenshots in 10 languages Seriously how Anglocentric could this author be? Even physical produ…

Isn't the normal convention to ship all the language files in the installer, but for it to only install the ones that are actually used on the system?

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

#56

Post by dylan604 »

rvba wrote: post #43
didgetmaster wrote: post #33

I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions. Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product. I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /

Windows is the same now. Due to "new and better" approach, each program puts its data in 5 different folders for "multi user" reasons. What is infuriating that all those folders are hidden and all of them are on C: drive. So your C: drive gets clogged. This makes it impossible to track how much space each program uses. (On a side note its been years since floppy drives were the A: drive... and yet we are still stuck…

> (On a side note its been yeara since floppy drives were the A: drive... and yet we are still stuck with the primary disc being called C:)

The logic behind that is pretty obvious isn't it?

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

#57

Post by lpcvoid »

functionmouse wrote: post #32
Shank wrote: post #26

I think the most obscene thing here is that macOS is now littered with permission prompts for camera, background execution, etc, but makes no effort to stop even industry partners from spraying the disk with dozens of files that can’t be removed easily.

That's because this particular sort of cyber security is merely theatrics with the goal of reducing user agency and increasing paranoia and vendor lock-in. The user facing friction is the goal. There will always be scams and viruses; the only practical outcome will be that you have less control over your computer, and Apple/MS/Google have more. See: Sideloading, Wayland, UWPs, iOS JIT, Windows XP and 7 still being us…

>Wayland

I can see the rest, but why did you mix in Wayland, a open source display protocol?

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

#58

Post by [deleted] »

rvba wrote: post #43
didgetmaster wrote: post #33

I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions. Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product. I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /

Windows is the same now. Due to "new and better" approach, each program puts its data in 5 different folders for "multi user" reasons. What is infuriating that all those folders are hidden and all of them are on C: drive. So your C: drive gets clogged. This makes it impossible to track how much space each program uses. (On a side note its been years since floppy drives were the A: drive... and yet we are still stuck…

[deleted]

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

#59

Post by ryandrake »

everdrive wrote: post #51
GeekyBear wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a user mode application on the Mac doesn't just allow you to drag the app into the applications folder to install, it's a red huge red flag. Personally, I'd look for another alternative from a company that better understands the Mac. Chrome, for instance, previously used an installer that had to run with administrative permissions and famously ended up rendering systems unbootable. System utilities and drivers a…

>When a user mode application on the Mac doesn't just allow you to drag the app into the applications folder to install, it's a red huge red flag. And the companies that make such products _never_ care about making sure an uninstallation is actually clean.

"Does it have a way to uninstall, and does that uninstallation clean every application artifact?" is such a great litmus test for just how much a software company actually cares about having a proper finished product that respects the user. Nobody forces a company to do it, but when they don't do it, you can probably bet that they're cutting corners and disrespecting the user's machine in other ways, too.

It's like "Do you return your shopping cart to the cart storage or leave it in the carpark?" You're allowed to just shove your cart away and drive off, but people who do that are highly probably assholes in other ways, too.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

#60

Post by ryandrake »

functionmouse wrote: post #32
Shank wrote: post #26

I think the most obscene thing here is that macOS is now littered with permission prompts for camera, background execution, etc, but makes no effort to stop even industry partners from spraying the disk with dozens of files that can’t be removed easily.

That's because this particular sort of cyber security is merely theatrics with the goal of reducing user agency and increasing paranoia and vendor lock-in. The user facing friction is the goal. There will always be scams and viruses; the only practical outcome will be that you have less control over your computer, and Apple/MS/Google have more. See: Sideloading, Wayland, UWPs, iOS JIT, Windows XP and 7 still being us…

We are moving away from the old world where you can trust the applications you are running on your computer, to today's world where you can't. The unix permission model is based on apps running as your user having access to every device and file you, the user, have access to. The threat was "other system users trying to access your files and devices" but now the threat is "applications you run trying to access your files and devices." OS vendors have been slow to adapt to this new threat model.

Even today, any rando application I download and run can read and/or write to any file on my system that I own and have permission to read and/or write, unless I go out of my way to run it in a chroot, a container, a jail or whatever. That's just poor security in a world where nearly every commercially developed application is an attacker.

Post reply on HN