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South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Re: South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Post by GuB-42 »

jjmarr wrote: post #17
verelo wrote: post #2

Great initiative. However I am curious about the "NO USE FRANCE" text at the end of this article. Is this a licence issue or something? Would love it if someone with insight would be able to comment!

It might be because there's a person in the photo, and France is very strict on photographing people. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Country_specific_... In terms of the formatting/brevity, Reuters was originally a wire service. They'd cover news in foreign locations and send it by telegraphic wire to local newspapers that would license the content. Telegraphs charged by the word and didn't have letter ca…

It doesn't seem to be about photographing people, other pictures don't feature people and still have the "NO USE FRANCE" tag. It seems like all pictures by Chris Jung have the "NO USE FRANCE" tag.

My best guess is that Chris Jung has some kind of an exclusivity contract for publishing in France. Looking at his website, he publishes in "Paris Match", a French magazine, so it may be related.

Re: South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Post by defrost »

XorNot wrote: post #48
zzzoom wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine considering some bird poop staining the paint dangerous instead of the air pollution that's slowly killing you.

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Re: South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Post by ceejayoz »

XorNot wrote: post #48
zzzoom wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine considering some bird poop staining the paint dangerous instead of the air pollution that's slowly killing you.

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Take a nice big sniff. CO2 and water are odorless.

Re: South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Post by itsmek »

tbrownaw wrote: post #21
shaky wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A mandate for renewable energy is authoritarian now? What? This is a great initiative.

The key is in the presence of the word "mandate".

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by highly concentrated power, limited political pluralism, and the suppression of dissent, often enforced by a charismatic leader or elite group .

A mandate is an authoritative command, order, or authorization to act, typically given by a higher authority, such as voters, a court, or a governing body .

So in the sense that a mandate is passed by government, and governments are sometimes authoritarian? If your logic is stronger than that you'll need to explain it to me. I'm not saying Asian countries are not authoritarian, I take no stance on that, I just genuinely don't understand how mandates imply authoritarianism.

Re: South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Post by [deleted] »

pfdietz wrote: post #35
Aurornis wrote: post #6

The solar covered parking lots near me are great because they also serve as cover for your car when it’s hot and sunny. It’s not the most cost effective way to install solar, though. A tall structure designed to put the panels high up in the air and leave a lot of space for cars is a lot more expensive than normal rooftop solar or even field setups. This is basically a way to force some of the cost of clean energy as…

I wonder if this will make it preferable to build parking structures rather than parking lots.

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Re: South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Post by jjmarr »

GuB-42 wrote: post #51
jjmarr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be because there's a person in the photo, and France is very strict on photographing people. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Country_specific_... In terms of the formatting/brevity, Reuters was originally a wire service. They'd cover news in foreign locations and send it by telegraphic wire to local newspapers that would license the content. Telegraphs charged by the word and didn't have letter ca…

It doesn't seem to be about photographing people, other pictures don't feature people and still have the "NO USE FRANCE" tag. It seems like all pictures by Chris Jung have the "NO USE FRANCE" tag. My best guess is that Chris Jung has some kind of an exclusivity contract for publishing in France. Looking at his website, he publishes in "Paris Match", a French magazine, so it may be related.

That makes more sense.

Re: South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Post by pfdietz »

ceejayoz wrote: post #50
pfdietz wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this will make it preferable to build parking structures rather than parking lots.

That is definitely not going to be easier or cheaper.

Yes. I looked it up and I agree.

Re: South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Post by kulahan »

XorNot wrote: post #48
zzzoom wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine considering some bird poop staining the paint dangerous instead of the air pollution that's slowly killing you.

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Have you ever seen an inversion? It’s crazy to imagine anyone who has, to end up thinking “maybe that shit-brown cloud stuck over the city is fine”.

Re: South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 »

tbrownaw wrote: post #18
testing22321 wrote: post #4

This is the kind of thing that every western ( or “rich” ) government should have mandated years ago. The best time was years ago, the second best time… We see the results of initiatives like this in BC, Canada. About 10 years ago they passed a law that when any government building is getting a renovation of any kind, public EV chargers must be built in the parking lot. The result is that every single town without ex…

> This is the kind of thing that every western ( or “rich” ) government should have mandated years ago. If it's cost effective there's no need to mandate it. If it's not cost effective but you want it anyway, you can explicitly subsidize it instead of mandating it. Does South Korea do mandated parking minimums like I hear is common here in the US? That would tell whether this is a tax on business property in general,…

Should we explicitly subsidize the kitchen equipment restaurants need in order to comply with food-safety regulations instead of mandating it? How about the mandatory sinks in the bathrooms of businesses (or even the mandatory toilets) - subsidize those instead of mandating them e.g. through OSHA?

Re: South Korea Mandates Solar Panels for Public Parking Lots

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Post by hibikir »

pfdietz wrote: post #35
Aurornis wrote: post #6

The solar covered parking lots near me are great because they also serve as cover for your car when it’s hot and sunny. It’s not the most cost effective way to install solar, though. A tall structure designed to put the panels high up in the air and leave a lot of space for cars is a lot more expensive than normal rooftop solar or even field setups. This is basically a way to force some of the cost of clean energy as…

I wonder if this will make it preferable to build parking structures rather than parking lots.

The lot is always cheaper, as long as the land is cheap. And in most of the US, even land that isn't all that cheap is often best left as a parking lot, economically: You can easily speculate with a parking lot with minimal investment, as the taxes for the empty lot are often low. See all the midwestern cities whose downtowns are 30-40% surface parking.

There are all kinds of bad externalities caused by seas of asphalt that is unused 95% of the time, but few countries are all that interested in using any mechanism to make the property owner pay for them.

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