Earlier quoted context omitted.
Companies aren't investing in AI because they want to solve the problem of semicolon placement. They want AI to solve problems and come up with solutions. Then they want to fire most of their programmers and force the rest to do nothing but check over and fix the slop their marketing departments are churning out.
I don't know why they'd stop at most programmers instead of all programmers. And the marketing department will also be AI. Companies want AI to remove the need for any labor so they can more directly gain money based on already having money.
Some uncomfortable truths about AI coding agents
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Re: Some uncomfortable truths about AI coding agents
#52Re: Some uncomfortable truths about AI coding agents
#53- Skill atrophy is not a realistic concern. Every single technological advancement in human history should have atrophied the skills of people working in those fields, to some kind of detriment. Yet that hasn't happened (in any way any of us would notice). You can still find people skilled in everything that is still produced, and everything still gets produced. If nobody's made it in 100 years and only 1 old man still knows how to make it by hand, sure, that knowledge will die. That isn't true of things still actively produced with advanced technology, like agriculture, textiles, metalworking, woodworking, printing, art, music. If this was a serious concern, we would have freaked out more that COBOL programmers were becoming rare to find to support IRS/bank systems, well before AI existed. AI is not the problem, and rejecting it isn't the solution.
If you're concerned your skills will deteriorate, that's not something to fear. You can always get better at it again if you need to. Your brain isn't falling out of your head.
- The artificially low cost is not something to worry about. We have already invested so many dollars into LLMs that we could ride the current SOTA models for decades and still get way more value out of it than the money we burned to get here. The only reason trillions are getting spent now is insane business people are being insane. You don't have to spend trillions. There are several very small teams of AI labs who produce very good open weight models with tiny budgets. You can make much more money using even local AI than from not using it. The economics are there. Do the math: cost of an AI dev team for 1 year, cost of 1 cluster of GPUs to train on, is an order of magnitude less than some companies pay for their advertising budget.
There absolutely is an AI bubble, and when it pops, so will the US economy (causing a world recession, since the Saudis are also tied up in AI investment), but we will all keep using AI regardless. It just won't be Anthropic or OpenAI we're using. The AI world is already way bigger than that.
- Prompt injections are just one security concern, but they are solveable. The trick is to not use LLMs for everything, like most people are today. You don't allow the control plane to be AI-dictated. You segregate tainted data. You practice defense-in-depth. You lean on deterministic, versioned software more than prompts. With these and more practices, you can do a lot of valuable work safely, even with tainted data.
- I think copyright is dead. Unless there's a global rejection of AI in general (which I don't think will happen), the world will adapt to this new order, where everything is a mix of everything, and nobody really owns anything, IP wise. There is just no way to reject the immense value of AI trained on the world's content. The world will simply change its laws and conventions to fit around AI.
Re: Some uncomfortable truths about AI coding agents
#54> The role change has been described by some as becoming a sort of software engineering manager, where one writes little or no code oneself but instead supervises a team of AI coding agents as if they are a team of human junior software engineers.... > In reality, though, the code review load for software engineers will gradually increase as fewer and fewer of them are expected to supervise an ever-growing number of…
The “fun” for me has never been “coding” and on the enterprise dev side that has been a commodity for a decade. If you look at the leveling guidelines for any tech company “codez real gud” will only get you to a mid level ticket taker.
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#55Re: Some uncomfortable truths about AI coding agents
#56I disagree with the author's interpretation of many of their points. > Skill Atrophy Very true, but in the same way moving from assembly -> scripting languages degraded the skill of programmers to manage memory. AI is another tool (albeit one that's on a different level than any other transformation we've had); what matters is whether the programmer understands the intent of the code, not the 0's and 1's that it turn…
The third point is moot if you run agents in a container and review their code, which you can and should do.
The fourth point is real, but the chance of it actually ending up harming people who use LLMs to write code is IMO remote.
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But I don't need to pay training costs to use GLM-5?
Sure, but somebody needs to pay for GLM-6 unless you're happy to stop here.
Re: Some uncomfortable truths about AI coding agents
#58The copyright example is naive at best. Any AI work that has been meaningfully modified by a human can be copyrighted. So if LLM generated code is used a the starting point and it is then modified in the testing and review phases you are good. Code that has not been touched by humans is very rare.
i mean... it's not the most common, but it's certainly not super rare.
https://hn.algolia.com/?q=i+vibecoded
508 results, yes not all of the hits are actual vibe-coded projects. but then this is just the people who are willing to admit it freely as well. so.
Re: Some uncomfortable truths about AI coding agents
#59i just read this before - why is it 3hrs ago?
Re: Some uncomfortable truths about AI coding agents
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
The “fun” for me has never been “coding” and on the enterprise dev side that has been a commodity for a decade. If you look at the leveling guidelines for any tech company “codez real gud” will only get you to a mid level ticket taker.
And even then - I still read the code it generates, and if I see a better way of doing something I just step in, write a partial solution, and then sketch out how the complete solution should work.
Will the end user care? “Does it make the beer taste better”?