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Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by matsemann »

al_borland wrote: post #31

I have fond memories of Opera. When I migrated off of it to Phoenix, I had a really hard time adjusting to not having mouse gestures. I didn’t know how anyone lived without them. By the time extensions came around to mimic Opera’s mouse gestures on other browsers, I could never get used to actually using them again. I was sad to see Opera become just another incarnation of Chrome.

Opera had this feature where it knew what the next page for stuff was, and other things. Not sure if it was a rel link or just some clever heuristics. But browsing BB forums with mouse gestures one felt like a God in how one could move around. Next post, next page, next topic without clicking anything.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by olejorgenb »

al_borland wrote: post #31

I have fond memories of Opera. When I migrated off of it to Phoenix, I had a really hard time adjusting to not having mouse gestures. I didn’t know how anyone lived without them. By the time extensions came around to mimic Opera’s mouse gestures on other browsers, I could never get used to actually using them again. I was sad to see Opera become just another incarnation of Chrome.

Opera was by far the best browser for a while for sure. Sad they couldn't keep up :/

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by throw10920 »

alex_smart wrote: post #47
ramon156 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hurts me that their marketing worked. Gamers are Choosing Opera GX because its "non bs". There's a ton of fingerprinting data being sent to chinese servers. No one is immune to propaganda

You overestimate how much the rest of the world cares about data being sent to “chinese servers”, when all this while our data was being sent to “American servers” anyways.

Whataboutism (doesn't matter if another entity does it - if it's wrong, then pointing out another entity doing it is fallacious), redirection, and false dichotomy (you can care about the US and China doing it - for all you know the parent poster was in the EU and does care about both).

Nobody mentioned the US upstream of your comment until you did. This is obvious propaganda - one of the classic maneuvers in the PRC influence playbook is, when called out on anything, to try to implement whataboutism with the United States (even if it's not relevant, like here, which is equally sad and funny).

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by lxgr »

flexagoon wrote: post #37
brabel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be spreading propaganda yourself by accusing Opera of something I have not seen evidence of. Are you saying this just because the company is Chinese?

See for example https://www.kuketz-blog.de/opera-datensendeverhalten-desktop... (In German, but Kagi translate or Google translate work fine here)

Thanks, that's pretty damning, in particular sending every visited domain to the browser vendor under the guise of "safe browsing". Really sad to see a former world-class browser stooping so low.

And I really couldn't care less if the browser vendor or their servers are in the US, China, or even any supposed "data privacy haven". It's simply none of their business which websites I visit.

For the same reason I'm not using Chrome, which intentionally kneecaps browser history sync when sync encryption is enabled, effectively forcing users to choose between non-synced history and privacy, when e.g. Firefox manages to do encrypted sync just fine.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by throw10920 »

lxgr wrote: post #54
flexagoon wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See for example https://www.kuketz-blog.de/opera-datensendeverhalten-desktop... (In German, but Kagi translate or Google translate work fine here)

Thanks, that's pretty damning, in particular sending every visited domain to the browser vendor under the guise of "safe browsing". Really sad to see a former world-class browser stooping so low. And I really couldn't care less if the browser vendor or their servers are in the US, China, or even any supposed "data privacy haven". It's simply none of their business which websites I visit. For the same reason I'm not u…

> For the same reason I'm not using Chrome, which intentionally kneecaps browser history sync when sync encryption is enabled, effectively forcing users to choose between non-synced history and privacy, when e.g. Firefox manages to do encrypted sync just fine.

This is novel to me - what's the kneecap specifically? How do you only kinda sync browser history??

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by bergheim »

matsemann wrote: post #51
al_borland wrote: post #31

I have fond memories of Opera. When I migrated off of it to Phoenix, I had a really hard time adjusting to not having mouse gestures. I didn’t know how anyone lived without them. By the time extensions came around to mimic Opera’s mouse gestures on other browsers, I could never get used to actually using them again. I was sad to see Opera become just another incarnation of Chrome.

Opera had this feature where it knew what the next page for stuff was, and other things. Not sure if it was a rel link or just some clever heuristics. But browsing BB forums with mouse gestures one felt like a God in how one could move around. Next post, next page, next topic without clicking anything.

If you use an extension like vimium, you get this by using the standard [[ and ]] vim motions for this.

Also, using the keyboard for navigation, while it sounds like a chore, is really quite excellent, and I prefer it to the mouse, as crazy as that might sound.

Re: Opera: Rewind The Web to 1996 (Opera at 30)

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Post by orangewindies »

emulio wrote: post #40

I hope Opera will be resurrected on the old Presto engine. It was amazingly fast. Back then, Chromium and Firefox were much slower.

You can't browse the modern web with Presto. I used to work at Opera and we were sad to switch to Chromium/Blink but a company the size of Opera just didn't have the resources to keep up with Google.
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