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GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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If shipping a specific device configuration to the US is illegal, Motorola should not ship this specific device configuration to the US. I do not think our parent is suggesting otherwise. AFAIK Motorola and GrapheneOS are not merging, they are getting into a partnership. They do not have to think or do exactly the same. Apple can comply with both CCP and US demands at the same time without a problem. I am sure Motoro…

Motorola is pretty much only present in US these days, why would they build a product that can't be sold in their primary market? Demanding that OSes outright violate the law because you disagree with your own elected government is pretty insane.

Your arguments show a lack of the least imagination, let alone simple reasoning.

There are countless ways to satisfy any regulation while still doing whatever you actually want to do.

The very most obvious is simply sell the device, in the affected areas, with any sort of os that meets the letter of the law in that area.

If it's also easy for the user to install something else once it becomes their property, well that's the new owner's business atthat point, Motorola did their part and complied with everything required.

No one needs to demand a company violate anything. That is just a silly argument to even try to make. Calling people insane for things they never said nor even implied is what's insane.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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In the meantime systemd already added handling for Age to the system bus. Next step is to add your race, then income, then who you voted for...

Western tech direction in the last 5 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXL-r8deB5o

If you think that's bad, just wait till you see eastern tech.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Age verification at the OS level makes no sense to me. Most households aren't going to have a separate device for every family member and so you will end up with a tablet or computer set up by one of the parents (and thus having their age stored) that will be used by both parents and children. Likewise, people generally won't create a separate account for every potential user.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Age verification at the OS level makes no sense to me. Most households aren't going to have a separate device for every family member and so you will end up with a tablet or computer set up by one of the parents (and thus having their age stored) that will be used by both parents and children. Likewise, people generally won't create a separate account for every potential user.

What are you talking about, most households give personal phones to their children, especially teenagers.

Laptops aren't rare either.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western tech direction in the last 5 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXL-r8deB5o

If you think that's bad, just wait till you see eastern tech.

That's an interesting topic. Please, elaborate.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think that's bad, just wait till you see eastern tech.

That's an interesting topic. Please, elaborate.

Western surveillance tech is superior because it gives you the option to choose your gender on a fluid scale when they're vacuuming your private data, whereas backwards eastern tech limits you to only male or female.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Age verification at the OS level makes no sense to me. Most households aren't going to have a separate device for every family member and so you will end up with a tablet or computer set up by one of the parents (and thus having their age stored) that will be used by both parents and children. Likewise, people generally won't create a separate account for every potential user.

What are you talking about, most households give personal phones to their children, especially teenagers. Laptops aren't rare either.

I suspect there’s quite a difference between what most people do and what most HN commenters do.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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In the meantime systemd already added handling for Age to the system bus. Next step is to add your race, then income, then who you voted for...

Why? Why should Linux ever implement local laws like this as core functionality? Especially invasive/anti-privacy ones.

If someone wants to introduce an age-verification-ca-module, fine, but not make it core. Yes I understand systemd is not the kernel, but its ubiquitous enough.

That just says to every country around the world; Windows, Mac, and even Linux is on board too, let's make it law also!

I dunno, I always expected Linux to be the last bastion of freedom and not to capitulate so easily.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Good on them. Devices shouldn't collect any extraneous data by default other than that needed to fulfill a feature a user consciously selects, and that includes this stupid age verification spyware regimes are pushing. An adult had to pay for the ISP connection; that's the extent of age verification needed. We shouldn't be demanding adults expose their identities to for-profit entities and surveillance states, so muc…

> An adult had to pay for the ISP connection Ever heard of free wifi?

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