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ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

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post #39

Maybe they should implement a graph based trust system: You need your favourite academic gatekeeper (= thesis advisor) to vouch for you in order to be allowed to upload. Then AI slop gets flagged and the shame spreads through the graph. And flaggings need to have evidence attached that can again be flagged.

You mean like endorsement? https://info.arxiv.org/help/endorsement.html

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

#53
post #39

Maybe they should implement a graph based trust system: You need your favourite academic gatekeeper (= thesis advisor) to vouch for you in order to be allowed to upload. Then AI slop gets flagged and the shame spreads through the graph. And flaggings need to have evidence attached that can again be flagged.

They already had a basic form of this for a while [1]

> arXiv requires that users be endorsed before submitting their first paper to arXiv or a new category.

[1] https://info.arxiv.org/help/endorsement.html

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

#54
post #39

Maybe they should implement a graph based trust system: You need your favourite academic gatekeeper (= thesis advisor) to vouch for you in order to be allowed to upload. Then AI slop gets flagged and the shame spreads through the graph. And flaggings need to have evidence attached that can again be flagged.

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Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

#55
"Recently arXiv’s growth has accelerated. Since 2022, it has expanded its staff to 27, in large part to deal with a 50% increase in submitted manuscripts."

I am wary of that. IMO the business model is damaged therein. You can say in 2022 we had 27; bankrupt in 2030.

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

#56
And they hired a LinkedIn business idiot to run the new organization - so the aim is for an infinite growth tech startup in terms of governance, despite the technical legal status of non-profit. It shows in the language they use in the announcement, too ("improved financial viability in the long run")

OpenAI shows exactly how well that works and what that kind of governance does to a company and to its support of science and the commons.

TL;DR, it's fucked.

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

#57
post #39

Maybe they should implement a graph based trust system: You need your favourite academic gatekeeper (= thesis advisor) to vouch for you in order to be allowed to upload. Then AI slop gets flagged and the shame spreads through the graph. And flaggings need to have evidence attached that can again be flagged.

Science reduced to people with a phd?

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

#58
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s so important, in fact, that there should be more than one such institution. People keep falling into the same trap. They love monopolies, then are shocked when those monopolies jerk them around.

I am using Zenodo for a while now instead. It is more user friendly, as well.

I like it as well, it works great. But I wonder if it would scale if at some point there were a massive exodus from arXiv.

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course there's a huge risk of it becoming made for-profit. The article says that "it will become an independent nonprofit corporation", and as OpenAI's failed attempt showed, converting a non-profit to a for-profit organization is either really hard or impossible. > Could they not have made it into some legal structure that puts universities at the top? As a corporation (even a non-profit one), it will have a bo…

OpenAI didn't get everything that they wanted, but I very much disagree with calling it a "failed attempt". The non-profit went from owning the entirety of OpenAI to having ~25% stake.

The non-profit still controls the board doesn't it?

Re: ArXiv declares independence from Cornell

#60
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article lists the reasons quite clearly.

For everyone else, The reason is because arxiv is growing significantly leading to 297,000 deficit in operating costs for 2025 alone. Corenell has helped with donation a long with other organizations that pay membership fees. As a result, donors + leaders of arxiv think it's best to spin off to increase funding.

What is unclear why they need stuff of 27 and 6.7 million to operate essentially static hosting website in 2026.
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