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Re: My IQ

#51
My dad made me take one when I was a kid and I did really well, but even then I thought it was stupid. The first issue is addressed in this blog post. The questions just aren't good enough. This is nobody's fault really, because it is very difficult to come up with a set of hard questions that measure your intellect and don't require lots of domain specific knowledge. It's either within a certain domain. If everyone taking the test was a Mathematician for example, the questions could be more clearly defined.

The second issue is that intelligence is multi-dimensional yet people try to measure it on a one dimensional scale. What's worse, the dimensions of intellect are somewhat elusive as well, so you can't just say something like IQ is the sum of values on each axis. Personally, I think that people that are high achievers in any field (business, arts, athletics, leadership, politics, science) are intelligent in some way. But when you look at all those people, there's no common denominator, no discernable pattern for intelligence.

Re: My IQ

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> > Cow, hen, pig, sheep. > The standard answer is supposed to be hen, as it is the only bird. I thought "It's the only one that goes around on two legs." And then: "It's the only one that reproduces via eggs." Maybe not the right answer for the "right" reason, but works... But then, as I have gotten older, my IQ is probably half what it was when I was tested as a teen (not a candidate for Mensa, sorry) Probably beca…

Let's try to list all the "correct" answers. 1) Hen - only one with wings / only bird / only non mammal / only egg-reproducer / only creature using 2 legs 2) Sheep - only one with more than 3 letters in name / renewable wool provider (eggs and milk are renewing?) Only plural without an S (sheep vs cows, hens, pigs) 3) Pig - only animal without renewing product (no milk, no eggs, no wool); only male name (cow hen and…

Cow - only sacred animal

Debatable, Pigs aren't kosher or halal, so you could claim they are sacred. I'm sure there are people who worship sheep or hens.

Re: My IQ

#53

|Cow, hen, pig, sheep The standard answer is supposed to be hen, as it is the only bird. I believe the standard answer is a "hen" because it's the only one that is gender-specific. In fact, it is distinctly the odd-one out because it doesn't even refer to a specific genus (or even family) of animal. I'm all for creativity (I have the same complaint often) but there needs to be some sort of standardization in communic…

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Re: My IQ

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IQ tests have long been criticized by a variety of groups. At the end of the day, it merely measures your ability to perform well on tests that are similar to an IQ test. Traditionally, this set was populated with academic tests, so the IQ could be used to predict your performance in schools (it was actually designed to predict the performance of French schoolchildren.) However, as the school based subjects have broa…

That's not really true. IQ doesn't predict well on the high end, but it's useful for predicting the outcomes of middle intellect people. And it works better for groups than for individuals.

For instance, IQ scores are bad at predicting wealth but are the best predictor of adult poverty we have.

And the US military uses them extensively. They generally don't allow anyone in with an IQ score below 90.

Re: My IQ

#55
tl;dr

Not bragging at all: I'm so creative and the IQ test is so culturally unfair that I just barely made it into freakin' Mensa.

Re: My IQ

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's try to list all the "correct" answers. 1) Hen - only one with wings / only bird / only non mammal / only egg-reproducer / only creature using 2 legs 2) Sheep - only one with more than 3 letters in name / renewable wool provider (eggs and milk are renewing?) Only plural without an S (sheep vs cows, hens, pigs) 3) Pig - only animal without renewing product (no milk, no eggs, no wool); only male name (cow hen and…

Cow - only sacred animal Debatable, Pigs aren't kosher or halal, so you could claim they are sacred. I'm sure there are people who worship sheep or hens.

That's because they're considered dirty, not sacred.

Re: My IQ

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The problem with Mensa tests, or any other generalized test that tries to identify patterns in humans, is that some people are taking themselves far too serious. IMHO Mensa is meant to give you an indication of not how smart you are but how perceptive you are in a particular kind of problem solving. And that’s about it.

Now if you score above 115 and then you expect the whole world to treat you like something special you miss the whole freaking point. I’ve seen people who because they score something like 130 or 140 are intentionally acting like whims or try to say something very profound and they end up speaking BS. They are very hard to work with and constantly expect to be treated differently.

Bottom line if you happen to be supersmart try to do something useful and meaningful for the rest of the society, otherwise nobody gives a flying fuck how smart you think you are.

Re: My IQ

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IQ tests share this property of undervaluing creativity and overvaluing conformity with academic work in general. Witness my favorite renegade intellectual, Robert Pirsig, from his Wikipedia page: 'While doing laboratory work in biochemistry, Pirsig became greatly troubled by the existence of more than one workable hypothesis to explain a given phenomenon, and, indeed, that the number of hypotheses appeared unlimited…

I am genuinely curious--is this essentially the contrast between frequentist and Bayesian ways of thinking?

Re: My IQ

#59
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Great insight. Regarding Mensa itself, or any claims to intellectual superiority: one of the big lessons of my life has been that being intelligent has no intrinsic value. If you are unable to manifest your intelligence in a way that can substantially (disproportionate to your effort) improve your life or the lives of others, then your mind doesn't matter. It has no impact in the world, and I am not the first person…

That's interesting. I'm an LSAT instructor. My first reaction to reading the instructor's comment was, 'Ha, only 165, he's no genius'. But, MENSA accepts 163 as a cutoff LSAT score for entry. So if MENSA == genius, then he is a genius. Among people who take the LSAT though, he's only 92nd percentile. He doesn't have much business teaching the test. Anyone who's at an Ivy League law school has a better score than him.…

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Re: My IQ

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It would be amusing to have a bunch of people take the same IQ test, then tally all the plausible yet contradictory answers they produced to the same questions. Done well, that could be an effective demolition of the whole charade (though not in the sense that it would get anyone to change their mind about it).

The trouble with such tests is that they like you to be intelligent, but not too intelligent. So what they measure is efficiency of conformance. Is that what we should be optimizing for? I don't think so.

It seems absurd that something so obviously unintelligent would be the key to measuring intelligence.

Edit: oh, I see I'm just repeating what the OP has already brilliantly said. What a great and devastating little article.

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